Apparently 98 = early NT

[HeroicRaptor]

wtf?

[Refalm]

They could have converted the explorer.exe from the early Windows NT to Windows 98, as Windows NT had those IE web thingies a little bit earlier than Windows 98.

[Aloone_Jonez]

That's probably true and no conversion was needed 98 runst most NT stuff.

[muzzy]

9x and NT are totally different, even though userland applications tend to run on both as they both support the same executable format and so on. As for the copyright string, I have no idea what's going on. Could mean anything, it's just one file. For more interesting research, someone should test all win98 binaries for existence of NT copyright strings and then report about how many were found...

[Jack2000]

i think somewhere in 98
it said NT technology
or something

[Aloone_Jonez]

muzzy, isn't Explorer a userland program?

[muzzy]

Yea, explorer is userland although I would suspect NT's explorer wouldn't run on win98. Haven't tried, but I'd at least expect it to depend on some NT specific things.

The version strings in about dialog, however, are generated by the system.  So, even NT executables will give win98 version info in about box when you're running them on win98.  You can take software from old versions of windows and the about dialog will claim the version matches the system version...

[Calum]

well, that's really useful!

[Aloone_Jonez]

What's so special about explorer?

It's just the desktop, it's no more important (as far as the kernel's concerned) than  MS Paint, OpenOffice or Wordpad, it doesn't suprize me at all that Windows 98 uses exactly the same Windows Explorer binary as a previous NT version.

[WMD]

I think the more important question is, why are you using Windows 98 and 3ds max 2.5? :p

[hm_murdock]

The IE4 version of explorer.exe and all of the webtop components report Windows NT. IE4 was a Cairo component, and Win2K was the realization of the Cairo initiative. This has nothing to do with "98 being NT" or "Adding NT parts to 98". They simply put NT versions on all the IE bits.

[ReggieMicheals]

To reiderate:
Windows 9x Kernel was developed exsculsively for Microsoft.
Windows NT Kernel is a highly modified Microsoft(not IBM, that was later) OS/2 kernel left from the Microsoft-IBM breakup.
Both use the same API - it's how it's done at the machine level that's different.

[HeroicRaptor]

I think the more important question is, why are you using Windows 98 and 3ds max 2.5? :p

This comp has 98 because of windows compatablity and its not xp because my dad is a lazy bum. I do have a ubuntu comp, but for some reason it doesn't like my modem. I have 2.5 because I got it free from my teacher.

[hm_murdock]

Windows NT Kernel is a highly modified Microsoft(not IBM, that was later) OS/2 kernel left from the Microsoft-IBM breakup.

Incorrect. NT was created by Dave Cutler, formerly of DEC, and it owes much of its existance to VMS. I think Cutler (one of the few true high-quality coders at MS) would owe you a kick in the teeth for that remark. NT carried an OS/2 text-mode subsystem for a number of years, but contrary to popular fictional history, NT isn't just OS/2 re-branded. If you actually fucking KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT OS/2 you'd know that.

Now, seriously, I get so goddamn sick of people spreading misinformation and plain old LIES. You really can't comprehend how stupid it makes the anti-Windows movement look.

[Jack2000]

98's shell is called explorer.exe