Author Topic: What was BeOS? (Read 2893 times)

noob · « **Reply #15 on:** 18 February 2006, 23:02 »

windows is commercial and so should be up to date and capable of at least half decent security.

WMD · « **Reply #16 on:** 18 February 2006, 23:29 »

Quote from: Aloone_Jonez

You have a fair point but while it isn't a problem at the moment it'd become a big problem if BeOS gains a considerable userbase.

Gain a considerable userbase? The company isn't even in business anymore. :p

[OFFTOPIC]The guy who ran Be, Inc. is the guy in themacuser's 2006 video responding "Windows" to the question about Obfusicated C. \o/[/OFFTOPIC]

Aloone_Jonez · « **Reply #17 on:** 19 February 2006, 01:05 »

Yeah I know but my main point was we're probably better off with Windows than BeOS as the dominant OS.

H_TeXMeX_H · « **Reply #18 on:** 19 February 2006, 02:11 »

I don't quite see the reasoning here ... :confused:

Orethrius · « **Reply #19 on:** 19 February 2006, 03:50 »

Quote from: Aloone_Jonez

Yeah I know but my main point was we're probably better off with Windows than BeOS as the dominant OS.

Hold it. You're saying that a system whose only significant in-roads regarding security have been to purchase competing, security-minded corporations and/or their products - subsequently redefining "security" to "whatever gets us the most customers" - since inception is somehow more secure than a system that was abandoned around the time they were driven out of business by product A? You're assuming that they wouldn't make security changes, and that - at least to me - is one hell of an assumption.

WMD · « **Reply #20 on:** 19 February 2006, 04:09 »

He does have a point though...BeOS has no multiuser system, unless they were hiding it. Adding one in would not have been an easy task.

ReggieMicheals · « **Reply #21 on:** 19 February 2006, 16:28 »

Well, we can ask for those features in the Haiku forums. I'm sure its understandable.

Aloone_Jonez · « **Reply #22 on:** 19 February 2006, 16:32 »

Quote from: Orethrius

Hold it. You're saying that a system whose only significant in-roads regarding security have been to purchase competing, security-minded corporations and/or their products - subsequently redefining "security" to "whatever gets us the most customers" - since inception is somehow more secure than a system that was abandoned around the time they were driven out of business by product A?

Yes.

Windows first became popular with 3.x which was an add-on to DOS, then came Windows 9x which included DOS.

But what about NT? You've missed the point that NT has been the most significant in-road to security MS have ever made.

Inbetween Windows 3.11 and 95 MS came up with NT which did have a security model and was superiour to their DOS based line of OSes. MS couldn't make it their main OS for many years because of backward the compatability problems it'd cause by not allowing programs direct access to the hardware and it also required more powerful hardware than most people had at the time.

Now BeOS had no equivalent to NT unless they were hiding it.

Quote from: Orethrius

You're assuming that they wouldn't make security changes, and that - at least to me - is one hell of an assumption.

Yes.

BeOS would require a complete re-write to implement a security model, because it'd need a different kernel which would've meant breaking compatability with all old programs, which is precisely why MS haven't made restricted accounts the default with Windows XP. MS will probably change this in a few years time once they stop supporting the 9x series or any software designed to run on it.

Now what's easier implementing a security model for BeOS (which is as hard as securing Windows ME) or changing a few default installation options and implementing one on NT?

piratePenguin · « **Reply #23 on:** 19 February 2006, 19:41 »

Be intended on having the next release (which didn't happen) multi-user.

Aloone_Jonez · « **Reply #24 on:** 19 February 2006, 20:28 »

http://www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0016.html

Right, I've done some research and you're right, I was wrong, no in fact WMD is right, they must've been hiding this ability from us. But (as I was saying before) what about backwards compatability with previous versions of software designed to run as root?

EDIT:
yellowTAB ZETA (BeOS' sucessor) still doesn't quite match up to XP on the security front.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_operating_systems#Security

toadlife · « **Reply #25 on:** 25 February 2006, 09:58 »

Quote from: Aloone_Jonez

MS will probably change this in a few years time once they stop supporting the 9x series or any software designed to run on it.

Vista will (does) create regular users by default.

mobrien_12 · « **Reply #26 on:** 26 February 2006, 02:46 »

I know how technically superior BeOS is to Windows and Mac OS <= 9, but what do you do with it these days?

What webbrowser? What do you use to write documents, play web clips, ogg vorbis, mp3? Do you have problems getting printer drivers?

H_TeXMeX_H · « **Reply #27 on:** 26 February 2006, 03:03 »

I'm betting there will be problems ... but I never used it so I dunno.

Aloone_Jonez · « **Reply #28 on:** 26 February 2006, 13:08 »

Quote from: mobrien_12

I know how technically superior BeOS is to Windows and Mac OS <= 9, but what do you do with it these days?

What webbrowser? What do you use to write documents, play web clips, ogg vorbis, mp3? Do you have problems getting printer drivers?

You must be able to get a Postscript driver to print it to a file then print it with another OS.

WMD · « **Reply #29 on:** 26 February 2006, 19:44 »

Firefox...Abiword...there is a media player, who knows what it plays...printing was always a weakness on Be.

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The company isn't even in business anymore. :p [OFFTOPIC]The guy who ran Be, Inc. is the guy in themacuser's 2006 video responding "Windows" to the question about Obfusicated C. \o/[/OFFTOPIC] Logged My BSOD gallery "Yes there's nothing wrong with going around being rude and selfish, killing people and fucking married women, but being childish is a cardinal sin around these parts." -Aloone_Jonez Aloone_Jonez Administrator Posts: 4,083 Kudos: 954 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #17 on: 19 February 2006, 01:05 » Yeah I know but my main point was we're probably better off with Windows than BeOS as the dominant OS. Logged This is not a Windows help forum, however please do feel free to sign up and agree or disagree with our views on Microsoft. Oh and FUCKMicrosoft! :fu: H_TeXMeX_H Member Posts: 1,988 Kudos: 494 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #18 on: 19 February 2006, 02:11 » I don't quite see the reasoning here ... :confused: Logged Orethrius Member Posts: 1,783 Kudos: 982 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #19 on: 19 February 2006, 03:50 » Quote from: Aloone_Jonez Yeah I know but my main point was we're probably better off with Windows than BeOS as the dominant OS. Hold it. You're saying that a system whose only significant in-roads regarding security have been to purchase competing, security-minded corporations and/or their products - subsequently redefining "security" to "whatever gets us the most customers" - since inception is somehow more secure than a system that was abandoned around the time they were driven out of business by product A? You're assuming that they wouldn't make security changes, and that - at least to me - is one hell of an assumption. Logged Proudly posted from a Gentoo Linux system. Quote from: Calum even if you're renting you've got more rights than if you're using windows. System Vitals WMD Global Moderator Posts: 2,525 Kudos: 391 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #20 on: 19 February 2006, 04:09 » He does have a point though...BeOS has no multiuser system, unless they were hiding it. Adding one in would not have been an easy task. Logged My BSOD gallery "Yes there's nothing wrong with going around being rude and selfish, killing people and fucking married women, but being childish is a cardinal sin around these parts." -Aloone_Jonez ReggieMicheals Member Posts: 186 Kudos: 228 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #21 on: 19 February 2006, 16:28 » Well, we can ask for those features in the Haiku forums. I'm sure its understandable. Logged Operating System Advocacy. I've given up on the Microsuck project, as well as any of the minisite spinoffs. You can still view the new beta site, though! Aloone_Jonez Administrator Posts: 4,083 Kudos: 954 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #22 on: 19 February 2006, 16:32 » Quote from: Orethrius Hold it. You're saying that a system whose only significant in-roads regarding security have been to purchase competing, security-minded corporations and/or their products - subsequently redefining "security" to "whatever gets us the most customers" - since inception is somehow more secure than a system that was abandoned around the time they were driven out of business by product A? Yes. Windows first became popular with 3.x which was an add-on to DOS, then came Windows 9x which included DOS. But what about NT? You've missed the point that NT has been the most significant in-road to security MS have ever made. Inbetween Windows 3.11 and 95 MS came up with NT which did have a security model and was superiour to their DOS based line of OSes. MS couldn't make it their main OS for many years because of backward the compatability problems it'd cause by not allowing programs direct access to the hardware and it also required more powerful hardware than most people had at the time. Now BeOS had no equivalent to NT unless they were hiding it. Quote from: Orethrius You're assuming that they wouldn't make security changes, and that - at least to me - is one hell of an assumption. Yes. BeOS would require a complete re-write to implement a security model, because it'd need a different kernel which would've meant breaking compatability with all old programs, which is precisely why MS haven't made restricted accounts the default with Windows XP. MS will probably change this in a few years time once they stop supporting the 9x series or any software designed to run on it. Now what's easier implementing a security model for BeOS (which is as hard as securing Windows ME) or changing a few default installation options and implementing one on NT? Logged This is not a Windows help forum, however please do feel free to sign up and agree or disagree with our views on Microsoft. Oh and FUCKMicrosoft! :fu: piratePenguin VIP Posts: 3,025 Kudos: 775 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #23 on: 19 February 2006, 19:41 » Be intended on having the next release (which didn't happen) multi-user. Logged "What you share with the world is what it keeps of you." - Noah And The Whale: Give a little love a poem by my computer, Macintosh Vigilante Macintosh amends a damned around the requested typewriter. Macintosh urges a scarce design. Macintosh postulates an autobiography. Macintosh tolls the solo variant. Why does a winter audience delay macintosh? The maker tosses macintosh. Beneath female suffers a double scum. How will a rat cube the heavier cricket? Macintosh calls a method. Can macintosh nest opposite the headache? Macintosh ties the wrong fairy. When can macintosh stem the land gang? Female aborts underneath macintosh. Inside macintosh waffles female. Next to macintosh worries a well. Aloone_Jonez Administrator Posts: 4,083 Kudos: 954 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #24 on: 19 February 2006, 20:28 » http://www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/support/qandas/faqs/faq-0016.html Right, I've done some research and you're right, I was wrong, no in fact WMD is right, they must've been hiding this ability from us. But (as I was saying before) what about backwards compatability with previous versions of software designed to run as root? EDIT: yellowTAB ZETA (BeOS' sucessor) still doesn't quite match up to XP on the security front. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_operating_systems#Security « Last Edit: 19 February 2006, 20:33 by Aloone_Jonez » Logged This is not a Windows help forum, however please do feel free to sign up and agree or disagree with our views on Microsoft. Oh and FUCKMicrosoft! :fu: toadlife Member Posts: 730 Kudos: 376 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #25 on: 25 February 2006, 09:58 » Quote from: Aloone_Jonez MS will probably change this in a few years time once they stop supporting the 9x series or any software designed to run on it. Vista will (does) create regular users by default. Logged mobrien_12 VIP Posts: 2,138 Kudos: 711 What can you do with it? « Reply #26 on: 26 February 2006, 02:46 » I know how technically superior BeOS is to Windows and Mac OS <= 9, but what do you do with it these days? What webbrowser? What do you use to write documents, play web clips, ogg vorbis, mp3? Do you have problems getting printer drivers? Logged In brightest day, in darkest night, no evil shall escape my sight.... H_TeXMeX_H Member Posts: 1,988 Kudos: 494 Re: What was BeOS? « Reply #27 on: 26 February 2006, 03:03 » I'm betting there will be problems ... but I never used it so I dunno. Logged Aloone_Jonez Administrator Posts: 4,083 Kudos: 954 Re: What can you do with it? « Reply #28 on: 26 February 2006, 13:08 » Quote from: mobrien_12 I know how technically superior BeOS is to Windows and Mac OS <= 9, but what do you do with it these days? What webbrowser? What do you use to write documents, play web clips, ogg vorbis, mp3? Do you have problems getting printer drivers? You must be able to get a Postscript driver to print it to a file then print it with another OS. Logged This is not a Windows help forum, however please do feel free to sign up and agree or disagree with our views on Microsoft. 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