Leopard Lives and Kicks Vista's Butt

[worker201]

Whenever Qt introduces major new features like graphics view (which seems like a similar idea to core animation), which applications will depend on, noone raises a stink because noone will have any problems obtaining and upgrading to Qt 4.2.

That's not a fair comparison, because you can upgrade Qt (or gtk or whatever) without a whole lot of hassle.  I don't know much about Qt, but a gtk upgrade is like 5 or 6 packages to download, and it fits smoothly into whatever apps are using it.  You're only updating the widget/library set after all - you're not updating X or Gnome or even the kernel - just a widget/library set.  So of course it isn't going to be much of a problem.

A fairer comparison would be to a new distro version.  Often, with a distro upgrade, you have to replace most of your packages, and might even need to download a dvd or two.  And who knows if your computer will meet the system requirements of the new version?  The $120 you have to spend for the Apple media is not really the issue.  The issue is backwards compatibility and system requirements.  Just like with Linux.  Pardon the pun, but you need to compare apples with apples.

[piratePenguin]

Core Animation is a new Panther-only API that will cause OS X applications to not work on pre-Panther. So to run those apps, you gotta give Apple whatever amount of money.

I'll never have to upgrade to a newer distro version to get the latest Qt! (it is possible, when my glibc and that crap all get old, but not in the foreseeable future)

[piratePenguin]

I'll never have to upgrade to a newer distro version to get the latest Qt!

Er, and neither should you, Qt being as cross-platform as it is.

See, in the free-software world, our APIs have better functions than making people shell out cash

[worker201]

reminder:
jaguar = 10.2
panther = 10.3
tiger = 10.4
leopard = 10.5

I'll never have to upgrade to a newer distro version to get the latest Qt! (it is possible, when my glibc and that crap all get old, but not in the foreseeable future)

I never said Apple's way of doing things was better.  The truth is that the Linux way of processing package and feature upgrades is much more sensible.  I merely wanted to point out that comparing an OSX update to a Qt update was silly.

[piratePenguin]

I never said Apple's way of doing things was better.  The truth is that the Linux way of processing package and feature upgrades is much more sensible.  I merely wanted to point out that comparing an OSX update to a Qt update was silly.

I was comparing the introduction of Core Animation, a new OS X API, to the introduction of Graphics View, part of Qt (a free software toolkit). In one, you gotta pay Apple $150 or whatever for OS X and possibly buy a new computer, in another you simply download and install the toolkit and you can do that on any half-popular OS on any computer.

[piratePenguin]

And honestly, people complain about Microsoft not porting DirectX 10 to Windows XP. Microsoft have given (they had to) technical reasons for why that would be extremely difficult.

I doubt very much there would be anything too difficult about porting Core Animation to Tiger - what has changed that would affect it?? It could just be a simple recompile.

Unless there are technical reasons that it would be difficult to port Core Animation to Tiger, what Apple's doing is not less bad than what MS is doing with DX10. But Apple, like MS, have to do shit like this - they have to pay their programmers, and keep some money for their $1000 cigars.

(free software ftmfw)

[WMD]

In one, you gotta pay Apple $150 or whatever for OS X and possibly buy a new computer,

It's $129, and why would you need to buy a new computer?

[piratePenguin]

It's $129, and why would you need to buy a new computer?

Because you need to have an Apple computer to run Mac OS X.

[WMD]

The post you quoted was talking about OS X updates versus QT updates.  If you're getting an update to OS X, I think you're updating an installed copy on an Apple computer you already have.

[piratePenguin]

The post you quoted was talking about OS X updates versus QT updates.  If you're getting an update to OS X, I think you're updating an installed copy on an Apple computer you already have.

Will there be a PPC version of 10.5? If not, then there you go. As if that matters, I'm sure you get the idea anyhow.

[WMD]

Will there be a PPC version of 10.5?

Yes.

[brucecassidy]

See there is a version floating around bittorrent websites im sure apple expexted this to happen and im sure it wont be the finished item thats for sure but im downloading it to see.

[hm_murdock]

Ques?

[piratePenguin]

See there is a version floating around bittorrent websites im sure apple expexted this to happen and im sure it wont be the finished item thats for sure but im downloading it to see.

Ha, it's true: http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/08/15/1252218.shtml

[worker201]

Ain't that somethin?  And I thought bittorrent was only for porn isos.