Author Topic: "It just works" (Read 2024 times)

H_TeXMeX_H · « **Reply #15 on:** 9 September 2006, 03:49 »

It's not as easy as you think, especially since Lexmark refuses to provide even basic tools to get it done. (They say they provide a toolkit to write Linux drivers, but it doesn't work ... as one person put it ... even if you knew how to use the toolkit it wouldn't help you any)

pofnlice · « **Reply #16 on:** 9 September 2006, 08:51 »

damn it...

I wonder...could the printer drivers be run yunder wine or some other prog? hmmm...now I'm thinking...

worker201 · « **Reply #17 on:** 9 September 2006, 10:07 »

Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H

It's not as easy as you think, especially since Lexmark refuses to provide even basic tools to get it done. (They say they provide a toolkit to write Linux drivers, but it doesn't work ... as one person put it ... even if you knew how to use the toolkit it wouldn't help you any)

That's probably true. But I bet it would be possible, even if it was a lot of hard work. I figure the first thing to do would be to install the printer on a Windows computer, and then watch the control sentences the software spews out to the spooler. If you have a basic knowlege of how other print software works, this will probably be easier, because you will probably see sentences you recognize. From there it is just a matter of writing a 2way interpreter for the sentences into some basic control language that the target OS's spooler can understand.

Unfortunately, any of the above would probably find you at odds with the hardware/software license agreement, and Lexmark could, in theory, have you shot.

So, the only reason certain bits of hardware don't work in Linux is that nobody has the time or the desire to handle the risk and build the driver. Eventually, though, someone will get around to it. Might be a hundred years from now, but I'm sure it will get done.

Jack2000 · « **Reply #18 on:** 9 September 2006, 10:46 »

i wonder if you could jsut run the dll's and drivers and shit
and make the program look for them there
then you are set up

any program, anywhere

pofnlice · « **Reply #19 on:** 9 September 2006, 11:08 »

OK...one would start here... Lexmark x2350 driver download page

Then Check here Firmware compatibility

And the Publications

Then the Linux Developers kit

Then I'll see where I get from there.

HEY! Looky what I found! Lexmark Print Drivers for Unix & Linux Systems Users Guide

worker201 · « **Reply #20 on:** 9 September 2006, 11:10 »

That would be a hack. It might work for one system, and you might actually only think it's working when it actually isn't. That's probably been done for just about everything. But it isn't a long term popular solution. So it usually doesn't get around. Most Linux docs would still call it a problem.

pofnlice · « **Reply #21 on:** 9 September 2006, 11:15 »

This looks encouraging...

http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/sequentialem/home/0,6959,204816596_659668508_0_en,00.html

Here's the linux requirements list

Requirements
System Requirements

1. Linux Kernel 2.4x or higher
2. GCC 3.2
3. gtkmm version 2.0.2.4
4. sigc ++ version 1.2.4
5. make
6. enscript
7. magic
8. Lexmark USB Scanner Device Driver (for Lexmark AIO Printers ONLY)

Hardware Requirements

1. P2 400 or equivalent
2. 64 MB RAM
3. 20 MB of Free HD space

Build Requirements

1. GCC compiler version 3.2
2. CUPS development libraries
3. SANE-Backend development libraries version 1.0.13

NOTE: LLPDDK has been built and validated on the following Linux releases: RedHat 8.0, RedHat 9.0, Mandrake 9.0, Mandrake 9.1, SuSE 8.1 and SuSE 8.2.
The Lexmark USB Scanner Device Driver package contains the open source codes and the Readme file.

pofnlice · « **Reply #22 on:** 9 September 2006, 11:33 »

Shit...If I install magic, I loose my Ubuntu Desktop and gnome volume manager...will this be ok? Test time!

cymon · « **Reply #23 on:** 30 September 2006, 04:08 »

Quote from: piratePenguin

Lexmark sucks btw

At least.. I don't have anything good to say about the POS Lexmark printer we got..

I think we could do with a printer + scanner ... Anyone got any recommendations? Obviously it needs to have drivers for GNU/Linux.. HP released free drivers for some of their printers, and their printers shouldn't be that bad, so I might go with one of them..

HP seems to be hit-or-miss, Every bit of HP equipment I've ever had never works right, including an HP Deskjet.

Annorax · « **Reply #24 on:** 30 September 2006, 07:40 »

I have a Lexmark Z82 printer/scanner combo. It's a proprietary piece of shit that isn't even recognizable by real OSes, is not TWAIN compliant, uses a proprietary, licensed interface, and scans only through a steaming pile of un-Wine-able feces called SmarThru. Oh, and get this... they even charge the XP windroids extra for a version of the software that'll "run" on Shitdows. Is it obvious yet that the damn thing wouldn't even be in my home if I'd have had to pay for it?

It's going out back to be sledgehammered to oblivion just as soon as I get a respectable scanner... any ideas for more destructive ends for it?

Senji · « **Reply #25 on:** 30 September 2006, 10:24 »

yeah get some realy xplosive shit in the ink cartrige
and then print a 100% black page ;]

H_TeXMeX_H · « **Reply #26 on:** 30 September 2006, 18:42 »

Quote from: cymon

HP seems to be hit-or-miss, Every bit of HP equipment I've ever had never works right, including an HP Deskjet.

How is that ? Got more details on what works and what doesn't ?

cymon · « **Reply #27 on:** 30 September 2006, 18:44 »

HP Deskjet 6980. Issues with the OSX drivers, often the printer didn't communicate at all. The Windows drivers seem to be a bit better.

H_TeXMeX_H · « **Reply #28 on:** 30 September 2006, 18:56 »

Ok, but we were talking about the Linux drivers ... weren't we ?

piratePenguin · « **Reply #29 on:** 30 September 2006, 19:08 »

Quote from: pofnlice

OK...one would start here... Lexmark x2350 driver download page

Then Check here Firmware compatibility

And the Publications

Then the Linux Developers kit

Then I'll see where I get from there.

HEY! Looky what I found! Lexmark Print Drivers for Unix & Linux Systems Users Guide

http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/drivers_linux

I've stumbled upon a few tutorials for creating Linux drivers, but that one actually looks like I might be able to handle it, and it looks nice..

(something wrong with posting links for some reason..)

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« previous next » Print Pages: 1 [2] 3 Go Down Author Topic: "It just works" (Read 2024 times) H_TeXMeX_H Member Posts: 1,988 Kudos: 494 Re: "It just works" « Reply #15 on: 9 September 2006, 03:49 » It's not as easy as you think, especially since Lexmark refuses to provide even basic tools to get it done. (They say they provide a toolkit to write Linux drivers, but it doesn't work ... as one person put it ... even if you knew how to use the toolkit it wouldn't help you any) Logged pofnlice Member Posts: 999 Kudos: 650 Re: "It just works" « Reply #16 on: 9 September 2006, 08:51 » damn it... I wonder...could the printer drivers be run yunder wine or some other prog? hmmm...now I'm thinking... Logged Quote from: "Orethrius" After all, running Windows without a decent anti-virus is like walking through a Red Light District after eating five metric tonnes of Viagra. worker201 Global Moderator Posts: 2,810 Kudos: 703 Re: "It just works" « Reply #17 on: 9 September 2006, 10:07 » Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H It's not as easy as you think, especially since Lexmark refuses to provide even basic tools to get it done. (They say they provide a toolkit to write Linux drivers, but it doesn't work ... as one person put it ... even if you knew how to use the toolkit it wouldn't help you any) That's probably true. But I bet it would be possible, even if it was a lot of hard work. I figure the first thing to do would be to install the printer on a Windows computer, and then watch the control sentences the software spews out to the spooler. If you have a basic knowlege of how other print software works, this will probably be easier, because you will probably see sentences you recognize. From there it is just a matter of writing a 2way interpreter for the sentences into some basic control language that the target OS's spooler can understand. Unfortunately, any of the above would probably find you at odds with the hardware/software license agreement, and Lexmark could, in theory, have you shot. So, the only reason certain bits of hardware don't work in Linux is that nobody has the time or the desire to handle the risk and build the driver. Eventually, though, someone will get around to it. Might be a hundred years from now, but I'm sure it will get done. Logged Jack2000 Member Posts: 1,128 Kudos: 387 Re: "It just works" « Reply #18 on: 9 September 2006, 10:46 » i wonder if you could jsut run the dll's and drivers and shit and make the program look for them there then you are set up any program, anywhere Logged pofnlice Member Posts: 999 Kudos: 650 Re: "It just works" « Reply #19 on: 9 September 2006, 11:08 » OK...one would start here... Lexmark x2350 driver download page Then Check here Firmware compatibility And the Publications Then the Linux Developers kit Then I'll see where I get from there. HEY! Looky what I found! Lexmark Print Drivers for Unix & Linux Systems Users Guide Logged Quote from: "Orethrius" After all, running Windows without a decent anti-virus is like walking through a Red Light District after eating five metric tonnes of Viagra. worker201 Global Moderator Posts: 2,810 Kudos: 703 Re: "It just works" « Reply #20 on: 9 September 2006, 11:10 » That would be a hack. It might work for one system, and you might actually only think it's working when it actually isn't. That's probably been done for just about everything. But it isn't a long term popular solution. So it usually doesn't get around. Most Linux docs would still call it a problem. Logged pofnlice Member Posts: 999 Kudos: 650 Re: "It just works" « Reply #21 on: 9 September 2006, 11:15 » This looks encouraging... http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/sequentialem/home/0,6959,204816596_659668508_0_en,00.html Here's the linux requirements list Requirements System Requirements 1. Linux Kernel 2.4x or higher 2. GCC 3.2 3. gtkmm version 2.0.2.4 4. sigc ++ version 1.2.4 5. make 6. enscript 7. magic 8. Lexmark USB Scanner Device Driver (for Lexmark AIO Printers ONLY) Hardware Requirements 1. P2 400 or equivalent 2. 64 MB RAM 3. 20 MB of Free HD space Build Requirements 1. GCC compiler version 3.2 2. CUPS development libraries 3. SANE-Backend development libraries version 1.0.13 NOTE: LLPDDK has been built and validated on the following Linux releases: RedHat 8.0, RedHat 9.0, Mandrake 9.0, Mandrake 9.1, SuSE 8.1 and SuSE 8.2. The Lexmark USB Scanner Device Driver package contains the open source codes and the Readme file. Logged Quote from: "Orethrius" After all, running Windows without a decent anti-virus is like walking through a Red Light District after eating five metric tonnes of Viagra. pofnlice Member Posts: 999 Kudos: 650 Re: "It just works" « Reply #22 on: 9 September 2006, 11:33 » Shit...If I install magic, I loose my Ubuntu Desktop and gnome volume manager...will this be ok? Test time! Logged Quote from: "Orethrius" After all, running Windows without a decent anti-virus is like walking through a Red Light District after eating five metric tonnes of Viagra. cymon Member Posts: 354 Kudos: 172 Re: "It just works" « Reply #23 on: 30 September 2006, 04:08 » Quote from: piratePenguin Lexmark sucks btw At least.. I don't have anything good to say about the POS Lexmark printer we got.. I think we could do with a printer + scanner ... Anyone got any recommendations? Obviously it needs to have drivers for GNU/Linux.. HP released free drivers for some of their printers, and their printers shouldn't be that bad, so I might go with one of them.. HP seems to be hit-or-miss, Every bit of HP equipment I've ever had never works right, including an HP Deskjet. Logged Annorax Global Moderator Posts: 694 Kudos: 457 Re: "It just works" « Reply #24 on: 30 September 2006, 07:40 » I have a Lexmark Z82 printer/scanner combo. It's a proprietary piece of shit that isn't even recognizable by real OSes, is not TWAIN compliant, uses a proprietary, licensed interface, and scans only through a steaming pile of un-Wine-able feces called SmarThru. Oh, and get this... they even charge the XP windroids extra for a version of the software that'll "run" on Shitdows. Is it obvious yet that the damn thing wouldn't even be in my home if I'd have had to pay for it? It's going out back to be sledgehammered to oblivion just as soon as I get a respectable scanner... any ideas for more destructive ends for it? Logged Quote from: "bash.org" <3M> ok guys i've finally got my windows me machine up and running again if everything seems to be running well on windows me you've obviously overlooked something.... <3M> who is general failure and why is he reading my hard disc somehow, "i told you so" doesn't quite say it Senji Member Posts: 36 Kudos: 10 Re: "It just works" « Reply #25 on: 30 September 2006, 10:24 » yeah get some realy xplosive shit in the ink cartrige and then print a 100% black page ;] Logged H_TeXMeX_H Member Posts: 1,988 Kudos: 494 Re: "It just works" « Reply #26 on: 30 September 2006, 18:42 » Quote from: cymon HP seems to be hit-or-miss, Every bit of HP equipment I've ever had never works right, including an HP Deskjet. How is that ? Got more details on what works and what doesn't ? Logged cymon Member Posts: 354 Kudos: 172 Re: "It just works" « Reply #27 on: 30 September 2006, 18:44 » HP Deskjet 6980. Issues with the OSX drivers, often the printer didn't communicate at all. 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