Author Topic: EU state rules - Microsoft CAN own patent for FAT long filenames! (Read 871 times)

piratePenguin · « **Reply #15 on:** 4 May 2010, 14:39 »

Does mac not support ext2 or ext3? No way to add support?

yourlife · « **Reply #16 on:** 4 May 2010, 19:46 »

Accidently run Bill Gates over and torch Microsoft?

Seriously though, Apple or Linux (all 4850349275025425 of them (yes I did just bash the numberpad) ) will find a way around this problem, they always do. And Microsoft will cause another problem, we'll walk right back around, again. All Microsoft is, is a big fat annoying fly that happens to be in the drink of computing. Yes I will now bash my head against the nearest keyboard, OUCH!

EDIT: Note to self, act more sane

worker201 · « **Reply #17 on:** 4 May 2010, 21:47 »

Quote from: piratePenguin on 4 May 2010, 14:39

Does mac not support ext2 or ext3? No way to add support?

I don't know. Which is why I'm asking questions.

piratePenguin · « **Reply #18 on:** 4 May 2010, 21:54 »

Quote from: worker201 on 4 May 2010, 21:47

Quote from: piratePenguin on 4 May 2010, 14:39
Does mac not support ext2 or ext3? No way to add support?

I don't know. Which is why I'm asking questions.

A quick google couldnt find the answer? I'm not gonna fucking do it for you.

worker201 · « **Reply #19 on:** 4 May 2010, 22:32 »

It wasn't really that kind of question. More of a "hey, if you've got an idea, please share".

Ext3 is not natively supported by OSX. Support can be added with paid 3rd party software. It's kinda disheartening when you hear that one of the "easiest" ways to get ext3 support in OSX is to install a virtual Ubuntu.

Calum · « **Reply #20 on:** 6 May 2010, 11:44 »

that's not a linux problem by the way.

also, by the way, HFS+ support is surely available as a kernel module for linux? This website seems to suggest it might be: http://www.google.com/search?q=hfs%2B+linux+kernel+module

worker201 · « **Reply #21 on:** 6 May 2010, 12:01 »

^ What's the command to find out if a particular module is loaded into the kernel? I know it is available, because I've built kernels with built-in HFS+ support before. But I'm pretty sure it's still not standard.

FYI, sometimes I will ask a question that I am quite capable of looking up the answer to. It's not because I'm lazy, but because I'm kinda busy, and that particular knowledge, while important, is just not all that high on my list of priorities. I realize that you are probably also kinda busy, and that answering my questions is not very high on your list of priorities. UNLESS it's one of those things that you just kinda know off the top of your head and can share without having to do any kind of work, I fully expect you to ignore it. In fact, from now on, if I ask a straightforward question, please just go ahead and assume that what I'm really asking is that if you know the answer without looking it up, please feel free to share (and know in your heart that I would be willing to do the same for you on things that I know well). The point here is to pool knowledge, after all.

piratePenguin · « **Reply #22 on:** 7 May 2010, 03:12 »

Quote from: worker201 on 6 May 2010, 12:01

^ What's the command to find out if a particular module is loaded into the kernel? I know it is available, because I've built kernels with built-in HFS+ support before. But I'm pretty sure it's still not standard.

lsmod

search your package manager for hfs and/or hfstools, once the relevant package is installed (and its probably the one that ISNT hfstools) id expect hfs support to 'just work' or else id be disappointed. I havent needed to mess about with modprobing etc since I was using slackware, mandrake and linux from scratch, pretty much, so i try to avoid that carry on.

Quote

FYI, sometimes I will ask a question that I am quite capable of looking up the answer to. It's not because I'm lazy, but because I'm kinda busy, and that particular knowledge, while important, is just not all that high on my list of priorities. I realize that you are probably also kinda busy, and that answering my questions is not very high on your list of priorities. UNLESS it's one of those things that you just kinda know off the top of your head and can share without having to do any kind of work, I fully expect you to ignore it. In fact, from now on, if I ask a straightforward question, please just go ahead and assume that what I'm really asking is that if you know the answer without looking it up, please feel free to share (and know in your heart that I would be willing to do the same for you on things that I know well). The point here is to pool knowledge, after all.

I know exactly what you mean, but your response in this thread suggested I shouldve provided the answers to the Qs that I asked, for you.

Kintaro · « **Reply #23 on:** 11 May 2010, 23:44 »

If only it were this easy on OSX ay: http://fs-driver.org/

Note: yes, this is an ext2 driver but it can mount ext3 volumes as the two are backward compatible, however without journaling just to mount it more than 25 times you are going to need to duel boot or use a VM Linux to run fsck.

Kinda fucking gay they don't make a Windows fsck.ext2 for it, then it would be bareable.

piratePenguin · « **Reply #24 on:** 12 May 2010, 05:34 »

Quote from: Kintaro on 11 May 2010, 23:44

If only it were this easy on OSX ay: http://fs-driver.org/

Kinda ridiculous that it isn't.

NOBODY in the OS X world decided to make an EXT2 driver, and not charge money for it? If that is true I'm making this official: Apple users, they are the scum of the computer world.

Lead Head · « **Reply #25 on:** 12 May 2010, 06:40 »

I'm going to go out on a limb here and saying that your average Mac user is probably no more of a power user then your average Windows user, which may explain why there is so little interest in supporting what are primarily *nix file systems.

The percentage of people who have a combination of Windows and Linux systems at home or dual boot Windows and Linux (this is where that ext2 driver comes in real handy) is probably much much greater then those that have Linux and OSX systems.

Kintaro · « **Reply #26 on:** 12 May 2010, 06:48 »

Quote from: piratePenguin on 12 May 2010, 05:34

Quote from: Kintaro on 11 May 2010, 23:44
If only it were this easy on OSX ay: http://fs-driver.org/
Kinda ridiculous that it isn't.

NOBODY in the OS X world decided to make an EXT2 driver, and not charge money for it? If that is true I'm making this official: Apple users, they are the scum of the computer world.

Man it would be a human rights violations for people who toil on such shoddy development environments to not get paid for their work.

Of course, for things like ext2/ext3 they could stop being fucking faggots and just merge some of the FreeBSD 8.0 crap over. Do you even get ndis network drivers on OSX?

piratePenguin · « **Reply #27 on:** 12 May 2010, 16:04 »

Quote from: Lead Head on 12 May 2010, 06:40

I'm going to go out on a limb here and saying that your average Mac user is probably no more of a power user then your average Windows user, which may explain why there is so little interest in supporting what are primarily *nix file systems.

The percentage of people who have a combination of Windows and Linux systems at home or dual boot Windows and Linux (this is where that ext2 driver comes in real handy) is probably much much greater then those that have Linux and OSX systems.

That's true, but would you not also think the ethos of Apple trickles down to the Apple population, making them greedy?

(sounds outrageous but this is not all joking: you must believe there is a correlation that influences gnu/linux distribution users to help their community more than Apple/MS users would be influenced)

Now theres a reason to keep Apple out of your home, if ever there was one.

Kintaro · « **Reply #28 on:** 19 May 2010, 06:58 »

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/

Found this, ext3 is backward compatible with ext2.

Lead Head · « **Reply #29 on:** 19 May 2010, 22:35 »

So an ext2 driver can access an ext3 volume, minus ext3s new fancy features?

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It's not because I'm lazy, but because I'm kinda busy, and that particular knowledge, while important, is just not all that high on my list of priorities. I realize that you are probably also kinda busy, and that answering my questions is not very high on your list of priorities. UNLESS it's one of those things that you just kinda know off the top of your head and can share without having to do any kind of work, I fully expect you to ignore it. In fact, from now on, if I ask a straightforward question, please just go ahead and assume that what I'm really asking is that if you know the answer without looking it up, please feel free to share (and know in your heart that I would be willing to do the same for you on things that I know well). The point here is to pool knowledge, after all. 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Kintaro Member Posts: 6,539 Kudos: 254 Greed is the sole driver of human progress Re: EU state rules - Microsoft CAN own patent for FAT long filenames! « Reply #26 on:* 12 May 2010, 06:48 » Quote from: piratePenguin on 12 May 2010, 05:34 Quote from: Kintaro on 11 May 2010, 23:44 If only it were this easy on OSX ay: http://fs-driver.org/ Kinda ridiculous that it isn't. NOBODY in the OS X world decided to make an EXT2 driver, and not charge money for it? If that is true I'm making this official: Apple users, they are the scum of the computer world. Man it would be a human rights violations for people who toil on such shoddy development environments to not get paid for their work. Of course, for things like ext2/ext3 they could stop being fucking faggots and just merge some of the FreeBSD 8.0 crap over. Do you even get ndis network drivers on OSX? Logged Refalm rules with a broken fist! Your Internet needs You: http://tmrepository.com/ My shitty website: www.johntate.org Ever been geeky enough to be able to talk on finch over ssh? With a www.fawltyservers.com shell account, your e-penis is bigger. My extremist blog: www.extremecapitalists.com piratePenguin VIP Posts: 3,025 Kudos: 775 Re: EU state rules - Microsoft CAN own patent for FAT long filenames! « Reply #27 on: 12 May 2010, 16:04 » Quote from: Lead Head on 12 May 2010, 06:40 I'm going to go out on a limb here and saying that your average Mac user is probably no more of a power user then your average Windows user, which may explain why there is so little interest in supporting what are primarily nix file systems. The percentage of people who have a combination of Windows and Linux systems at home or dual boot Windows and Linux (this is where that ext2 driver comes in real handy) is probably much much greater then those that have Linux and OSX systems. That's true, but would you not also think the ethos of Apple trickles down to the Apple population, making them greedy? (sounds outrageous but this is not all joking: you must believe there is a correlation that influences gnu/linux distribution users to help their community more than Apple/MS users would be influenced) Now theres a reason to keep Apple out of your home, if ever there was one. « Last Edit: 12 May 2010, 16:07 by piratePenguin* » Logged "What you share with the world is what it keeps of you." - Noah And The Whale: Give a little love a poem by my computer, Macintosh Vigilante Macintosh amends a damned around the requested typewriter. Macintosh urges a scarce design. Macintosh postulates an autobiography. Macintosh tolls the solo variant. Why does a winter audience delay macintosh? The maker tosses macintosh. Beneath female suffers a double scum. How will a rat cube the heavier cricket? Macintosh calls a method. Can macintosh nest opposite the headache? 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