Author Topic: Internet Deplorer (Read 1865 times)

Macman · « **on:** 4 April 2002, 08:58 »

I used to like Internet Explorer, I really did. I thought that perhaps Microsoft had created at least one good product. But alas, I was wrong. I used to have an extremely slow modem, and switching off of AOL and onto IE opened my eyes to a world where you could get kicked off-line without losing your place or where you could switch to Netscape anytime you want. But since I upgraded my computer from a Performa to a G4 I have come to realize that IE is a piece of $h!t. With my new internal modem (sigh... no cable modem yet) I usually get a pretty high dial-up, but with IE my Internet is at times lightning fast and at others maddeningly slow, not depending on the dial-up. My theory is that IE is dumb and doesn't know how to utilize that speed. Now a PC luser would argue this: that it is my G4's fault, not IE's. That's impossible, because I sporadically switch to Netscape, and things are much faster and more reliable there (I'm no big fan of Netscape, but its a heck of a lot better than IE). The PC luser's next argument: "IE is only slow on the Mac version." Also impossible. One, I have used IE on Windows 95 and Windows ME, and let me tell you, the problems were ten times as worse. I'm not even going to go into them. And two, even if it is the Mac version, who still made it? Microsoft, duh! It's still their fault. Yes, unlike most of Microsoft's products, IE does look pretty nice. Bet lets face it: Microsoft only puts out crummy software (and hardware in the X-Box's case) to save money and give off the appearance that they know what they're doing and IE is no exception.

psyjax · « **Reply #1 on:** 4 April 2002, 22:31 »

I hate Netscape and IE. They both are sucky for diffrent reasons.

I have found the best browser in the world and that has to be Mozilla. www.mozilla.org

Has a few bugs here and there (most of these are squashed for the much anticipated 1.0 release), its the best browser I have ever used hands down.

jtpenrod · « **Reply #2 on:** 4 April 2002, 12:27 »

IE is absolutely the slowest browser I have ever used. Mozilla is what I use most of the time. It is fast, has excellent cut 'n' paste capabilities, looks good, and works well with its E-mail client. Konqueror is just a tad slower, but has good support for printing documents. Galeon is also very good. With Win 95, I use Netscape. Better than IE, and fast, but the fonts leave a lot to be desired. However, it doesn't crash Win 95 like IE does. IE is truly the pits :mad:
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Calum · « **Reply #3 on:** 4 April 2002, 13:15 »

well, these guys are all saying use mozilla, and it's darn tooting, but since yr using a mac, i suggest you get opera as well. it is sweet on a mca. i've tried it on windows, linux and mac, and the mac version laps the other two.
get mozilla as well though.
Don't bother with iCab though, or netscape. Once you have mozilla, you'll never need netscape again.
But i must stress, get opera!

Ctrl Alt Del 123 · « **Reply #4 on:** 4 April 2002, 15:05 »

XP + IE6 + Comcast =

2002-04-04 05:04:31 EST: 980 / 119
Your download speed : 980256 bps, or 980 kbps.
Browsers would show : about a 119.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 119047 bps, or 119 kbps.

Nutscrape =

2002-04-04 05:05:43 EST: 900 / 86
Your download speed : 900114 bps, or 900 kbps.
Browsers would show : about a 98.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 86276 bps, or 86 kbps.

All above statistics are averages, 3 tests each were run on both browsers.

Also, nutscrape takes 5 seconds to open. IE takes less than 1.

Calum · « **Reply #5 on:** 4 April 2002, 16:21 »

wow! you've got me convinced!
a bunch of random looking numbers eh?
Im-Pre-Sive.

Notice you compare netscape and iexplore, what about mozilla and opera?
what are the random numbers for them please?

Plus, anybody notice how there are a lot of different factors involved in internet browsing speed?
'phone lines being a good one, the choice of pages viewed being another, whether or not how many graphics are loaded, the list goes on.
Any comparison between browsers approaches a joke due to the lack of a decent control situation by the benchmarker.
Most test situations are done to prove one is better than the other anyway, rather than for true comparison's sake.
Anybody want to post a few random numbers that prove netscape is better?

psyjax · « **Reply #6 on:** 4 April 2002, 20:46 »

I used Opera on my Mac, a nice browser. I found that it didn't load some pages correctly and it's plug-in support was not to hot.

Crt+Alt+Del, what the hell is that crap supposed to prove? Mozilla performs better than both IE and Netscape combined, furthermore, Id rather have a page load corectly and more slowly.

IE is constantly reporting MRJ errors in M$'s bid to destroy sun java.

Try Mozilla, you will never go back.

Calum · « **Reply #7 on:** 4 April 2002, 20:59 »

well opera has that thing where it can identify as IE, mozilla or opera, which might be worth a try if a page doesn't load up properly (as you'll get customised html from some sites depending on what browser you are)
and also, i've noticed that a lot of IE plugins and Netscape plugins work in Opera if you just drag and drop a duplicate of them into the Opera plugins folder.
totally triffic!

Macman · « **Reply #8 on:** 5 April 2002, 07:18 »

Wow you ran three tests? It must be true then, even though those "random numbers" are just that

Macman · « **Reply #9 on:** 5 April 2002, 07:21 »

Internet Explorer:
438579.54672.3245.67.43134.643

Netscape
3902091.14514.14.5.1113241.

There, I've proven that Netscape is faster.

Ctrl Alt Del 123 · « **Reply #10 on:** 5 April 2002, 09:30 »

I tried to install Opera, but it performed an illegal operation each time.

psyjax · « **Reply #11 on:** 5 April 2002, 09:32 »

quote:
Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
I tried to install Opera, but it performed an illegal operation each time.

Hope you didn't have to hold gown Crt+Alt+Del HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!.....ugh... sorry bout that.

voidmain · « **Reply #12 on:** 5 April 2002, 09:42 »

Konqueror: 1.21 Gigawatts
Galeon: 4.98GB/psec
Lynx: 186,282 miles/second
Mozilla: Next best thing
IE: 0 bps Seems there isn't a version for my OS
Netscape: 12 banner ads/second

But "wget" blows *all* of them away!

[ April 04, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

psyjax · « **Reply #13 on:** 5 April 2002, 09:57 »

Isn't "wget" a command you type at the promt to access the web or ftp?

im only asking because i want to see if my dabblings into UNIX/Linux/Darwin are paying off

.

voidmain · « **Reply #14 on:** 5 April 2002, 22:01 »

wget is really an extremely useful tool. I use it regularly for downloading files either via http or ftp and it works great for recursively sucking web sites down to a local drive. I primarily use it when logged in to a remote server via SSH to download files from web sites to the remote server but I also use it locally for downloading ISO images etc, and because it's command line you can slap it into a script for a cron job etc...

A neat little trick is to have a shell prompt open and your browser. Instead of downloading large files through your browser just "copy link location" by right clicking on the file URL then type "wget " at the shell prompt and paste in the URL and bingo. But there are many many other ways to use it.

[ April 05, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

« previous next » Print Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 6 Go Down Author Topic: Internet Deplorer (Read 1865 times) Macman Member Posts: 52 Kudos: 0 Internet Deplorer « on: 4 April 2002, 08:58 » I used to like Internet Explorer, I really did. I thought that perhaps Microsoft had created at least one good product. But alas, I was wrong. I used to have an extremely slow modem, and switching off of AOL and onto IE opened my eyes to a world where you could get kicked off-line without losing your place or where you could switch to Netscape anytime you want. But since I upgraded my computer from a Performa to a G4 I have come to realize that IE is a piece of $h!t. With my new internal modem (sigh... no cable modem yet) I usually get a pretty high dial-up, but with IE my Internet is at times lightning fast and at others maddeningly slow, not depending on the dial-up. My theory is that IE is dumb and doesn't know how to utilize that speed. Now a PC luser would argue this: that it is my G4's fault, not IE's. That's impossible, because I sporadically switch to Netscape, and things are much faster and more reliable there (I'm no big fan of Netscape, but its a heck of a lot better than IE). The PC luser's next argument: "IE is only slow on the Mac version." Also impossible. One, I have used IE on Windows 95 and Windows ME, and let me tell you, the problems were ten times as worse. I'm not even going to go into them. And two, even if it is the Mac version, who still made it? Microsoft, duh! It's still their fault. Yes, unlike most of Microsoft's products, IE does look pretty nice. Bet lets face it: Microsoft only puts out crummy software (and hardware in the X-Box's case) to save money and give off the appearance that they know what they're doing and IE is no exception. Logged "The Macintosh may only have 10% of the market, but it is clearly the top 10%." psyjax VIP Posts: 1,871 Kudos: 55 Internet Deplorer « Reply #1 on: 4 April 2002, 22:31 » I hate Netscape and IE. They both are sucky for diffrent reasons. I have found the best browser in the world and that has to be Mozilla. www.mozilla.org Has a few bugs here and there (most of these are squashed for the much anticipated 1.0 release), its the best browser I have ever used hands down. Logged Psyjax! I RULEZZZZ!!! HAR HAR HAR jtpenrod VIP Posts: 675 Kudos: 105 Internet Deplorer « Reply #2 on: 4 April 2002, 12:27 » IE is absolutely the slowest browser I have ever used. Mozilla is what I use most of the time. It is fast, has excellent cut 'n' paste capabilities, looks good, and works well with its E-mail client. Konqueror is just a tad slower, but has good support for printing documents. Galeon is also very good. With Win 95, I use Netscape. Better than IE, and fast, but the fonts leave a lot to be desired. However, it doesn't crash Win 95 like IE does. IE is truly the pits :mad: __________________________________ Powered by Mandrake Linux and Freedom Computers are like air conditioners: they can't do their jobs if you open windows Logged Live Free or Die: Linux If software can be free, why can't dolphins? Calum Global Moderator Posts: 7,812 Kudos: 1000 Internet Deplorer « Reply #3 on: 4 April 2002, 13:15 » well, these guys are all saying use mozilla, and it's darn tooting, but since yr using a mac, i suggest you get opera as well. it is sweet on a mca. i've tried it on windows, linux and mac, and the mac version laps the other two. get mozilla as well though. Don't bother with iCab though, or netscape. Once you have mozilla, you'll never need netscape again. But i must stress, get opera! Logged visit these websites and make yourself happy forever: It's my music! \| My music on MySpace \| Integrational Polytheism Ctrl Alt Del 123 Member Posts: 158 Kudos: 0 Internet Deplorer « Reply #4 on: 4 April 2002, 15:05 » XP + IE6 + Comcast = 2002-04-04 05:04:31 EST: 980 / 119 Your download speed : 980256 bps, or 980 kbps. Browsers would show : about a 119.6 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 119047 bps, or 119 kbps. Nutscrape = 2002-04-04 05:05:43 EST: 900 / 86 Your download speed : 900114 bps, or 900 kbps. Browsers would show : about a 98.6 KB/sec transfer rate. Your upload speed : 86276 bps, or 86 kbps. All above statistics are averages, 3 tests each were run on both browsers. Also, nutscrape takes 5 seconds to open. IE takes less than 1. Logged Calum Global Moderator Posts: 7,812 Kudos: 1000 Internet Deplorer « Reply #5 on: 4 April 2002, 16:21 » wow! you've got me convinced! a bunch of random looking numbers eh? Im-Pre-Sive. Notice you compare netscape and iexplore, what about mozilla and opera? what are the random numbers for them please? Plus, anybody notice how there are a lot of different factors involved in internet browsing speed? 'phone lines being a good one, the choice of pages viewed being another, whether or not how many graphics are loaded, the list goes on. Any comparison between browsers approaches a joke due to the lack of a decent control situation by the benchmarker. Most test situations are done to prove one is better than the other anyway, rather than for true comparison's sake. Anybody want to post a few random numbers that prove netscape is better? Logged visit these websites and make yourself happy forever: It's my music! \| My music on MySpace \| Integrational Polytheism psyjax VIP Posts: 1,871 Kudos: 55 Internet Deplorer « Reply #6 on: 4 April 2002, 20:46 » I used Opera on my Mac, a nice browser. I found that it didn't load some pages correctly and it's plug-in support was not to hot. Crt+Alt+Del, what the hell is that crap supposed to prove? Mozilla performs better than both IE and Netscape combined, furthermore, Id rather have a page load corectly and more slowly. IE is constantly reporting MRJ errors in M$'s bid to destroy sun java. Try Mozilla, you will never go back. Logged Psyjax! I RULEZZZZ!!! HAR HAR HAR Calum Global Moderator Posts: 7,812 Kudos: 1000 Internet Deplorer « Reply #7 on: 4 April 2002, 20:59 » well opera has that thing where it can identify as IE, mozilla or opera, which might be worth a try if a page doesn't load up properly (as you'll get customised html from some sites depending on what browser you are) and also, i've noticed that a lot of IE plugins and Netscape plugins work in Opera if you just drag and drop a duplicate of them into the Opera plugins folder. totally triffic! Logged visit these websites and make yourself happy forever: It's my music! \| My music on MySpace \| Integrational Polytheism Macman Member Posts: 52 Kudos: 0 Internet Deplorer « Reply #8 on: 5 April 2002, 07:18 » Wow you ran three tests? It must be true then, even though those "random numbers" are just that Logged "The Macintosh may only have 10% of the market, but it is clearly the top 10%." Macman Member Posts: 52 Kudos: 0 Internet Deplorer « Reply #9 on: 5 April 2002, 07:21 » Internet Explorer: 438579.54672.3245.67.43134.643 Netscape 3902091.14514.14.5.1113241. There, I've proven that Netscape is faster. Logged "The Macintosh may only have 10% of the market, but it is clearly the top 10%." Ctrl Alt Del 123 Member Posts: 158 Kudos: 0 Internet Deplorer « Reply #10 on: 5 April 2002, 09:30 » I tried to install Opera, but it performed an illegal operation each time. Logged psyjax VIP Posts: 1,871 Kudos: 55 Internet Deplorer « Reply #11 on: 5 April 2002, 09:32 » quote: Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123: I tried to install Opera, but it performed an illegal operation each time. Hope you didn't have to hold gown Crt+Alt+Del HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!.....ugh... sorry bout that. Logged Psyjax! I RULEZZZZ!!! HAR HAR HAR voidmain VIP Posts: 5,605 Kudos: 184 Internet Deplorer « Reply #12 on: 5 April 2002, 09:42 » Konqueror: 1.21 Gigawatts Galeon: 4.98GB/psec Lynx: 186,282 miles/second Mozilla: Next best thing IE: 0 bps Seems there isn't a version for my OS Netscape: 12 banner ads/second But "wget" blows all of them away! [ April 04, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ] Logged Someone please remove this account. Thanks... psyjax VIP Posts: 1,871 Kudos: 55 Internet Deplorer « Reply #13 on: 5 April 2002, 09:57 » Isn't "wget" a command you type at the promt to access the web or ftp? im only asking because i want to see if my dabblings into UNIX/Linux/Darwin are paying off . Logged Psyjax! I RULEZZZZ!!! HAR HAR HAR voidmain VIP Posts: 5,605 Kudos: 184 Internet Deplorer « Reply #14 on: 5 April 2002, 22:01 » wget is really an extremely useful tool. I use it regularly for downloading files either via http or ftp and it works great for recursively sucking web sites down to a local drive. I primarily use it when logged in to a remote server via SSH to download files from web sites to the remote server but I also use it locally for downloading ISO images etc, and because it's command line you can slap it into a script for a cron job etc... A neat little trick is to have a shell prompt open and your browser. Instead of downloading large files through your browser just "copy link location" by right clicking on the file URL then type "wget " at the shell prompt and paste in the URL and bingo. But there are many many other ways to use it. [ April 05, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ] Logged Someone please remove this account. Thanks... Print Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 6 Go Up « previous next » Stop Microsoft » Forum » All Things Microsoft » Microsoft as a Company » Internet Deplorer
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