Author Topic: Lindows (Read 566 times)

1mck · « **on:** 30 December 2003, 17:42 »

I want to address some issues with Lindows, and I feel that an earlier post of mine in response to a question about Lindows may have been sort of buried there. X-11 stated that I brought up some very interesting points, so if any of you have any comments, then please do:)

Lindows is a great distro for most people who do not know very much about computers

Kintaro · « **Reply #1 on:** 30 December 2003, 18:04 »

I can agree with what your saying, keep in mind geeks will be geeks.

Pantso · « **Reply #2 on:** 30 December 2003, 21:22 »

Comment that Lindows violates the GPL by not allowing access to the source code is retracted. It does, so it's fine by me

[ December 30, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

insomnia · « **Reply #3 on:** 30 December 2003, 21:56 »

IMO: SuSE 9 (or 8.2) is much better for beginners (and not only for beginners).

Most people want to start with a dual boot.
Don't ever try that with Lindows! It woudn't work.
Lindows has the worst installation program ever.

PS: Not all the software is free, you have to pay for extra (free) software.

flap · « **Reply #4 on:** 30 December 2003, 22:21 »

quote:
Originally posted by Panos:
Lindows violates the General Public License.

No it doesn't. What makes you say it does? The fact that they don't make the system available free of charge? The GPL doesn't demand that. All of the proprietary code in Lindows is their own.

Pantso · « **Reply #5 on:** 31 December 2003, 03:01 »

flap, I retract my comment.I was refering to the source code, but now I see that it is available, after checking with the Lindows.com FAQ.

My mistake, and I humbly apologize to Lindows users for it. I may not agree with its marketing policy, but if the source is available, then it's fine by me.

[ December 30, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

Kintaro · « **Reply #6 on:** 31 December 2003, 05:02 »

They know to well that if they break the GPL then there marketing wont work because geeks wont throw in the good word.

Companys like Red-Hat dont have to advertise because they know that there are a lot of geeks that have no problem making them slaves to there marketing system and hence, helping the company get rich.

[ December 30, 2003: Message edited by: X11: Troll Erudition ]

flap · « **Reply #7 on:** 31 December 2003, 18:09 »

quote:
Originally posted by Panos:
flap, I retract my comment.I was refering to the source code, but now I see that it is available, after checking with the Lindows.com FAQ.

My mistake, and I humbly apologize to Lindows users for it. I may not agree with its marketing policy, but if the source is available, then it's fine by me.

[ December 30, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ]

Well although they don't violate the GPL, the system as a whole is still proprietary as their own software falls under a non-free licence, so I agree with you that Lindows is not a good thing.

Pantso · « **Reply #8 on:** 31 December 2003, 18:26 »

Yes. We definitely agree on that! BTW flap, I suppose that you are using a GNU/Linux distribution. Can you tell me which, because I have a very strong feeling that you are running Debian. How close was I?

flap · « **Reply #9 on:** 31 December 2003, 19:21 »

Sorry no, Red Hat. Though I've decided to ditch that and move to Slackware. I would like to use Debian but they're too far behind in terms of including up to date packages.

Pantso · « **Reply #10 on:** 31 December 2003, 19:29 »

Damn! I thought I was 'right on target'.

Are you still using RH or have you 'moved' to Fedora? In any case, I believe that Slackware is a better choice

flap · « **Reply #11 on:** 31 December 2003, 20:03 »

No, I haven't used Fedora, but it was Red Hat's discontinuation of their home distribution that inspired me to want to switch. I could use Fedora I suppose, but Slackware is attractive for a few reasons (simplicity, less hand holding, BSD style init etc.)

Mistshadow · « **Reply #12 on:** 10 January 2004, 20:37 »

quote:
PS: Not all the software is free, you have to pay for extra (free) software.

True. This is the only things that keeps me from recommending Lindows. Other than that, it would be great.

But I don't understand one thing. Lindows is Debian-based. Can't you just edit your sources list and apt-get any software you want?

Calum · « **Reply #13 on:** 10 January 2004, 21:31 »

for total newbies i have to say i think mandrake is up there with the best of them no matter what you say about lindows, plus it is fairly similar to red hat, the nearest thing we have to a standard, and i think that's a good thing because fragmenting newbies with a lot of nonstandard stuff will only weaken the hold of linux amongst the userbase.

and if lycoris desktop would sort itself out it would qualify as a good one for a newbie too i think.

i have not tried suse or lindows sadly, so can't comment, but from what i have heard about lindows, it sounds like lycoris. newbie aimed, but with a lot of rough corners. plus lycoris is free and lindows isn't, so who you gonna call? i still say mandrake though, although i frown on their dumbass installer which hides all the options you will want to change once you've installed the system.

Mistshadow · « **Reply #14 on:** 10 January 2004, 23:00 »

Lycoris, right, I forgot about them. Good distro for newbies. But I think Mandrake Move (now offically out), another live cd, would be the absolute best place for a Windows user to start. Then a little research, then try an install.

My prime advice would be "take it slow". It took me, I guess 3 months, to finally settle on SuSe.

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My mistake, and I humbly apologize to Lindows users for it. I may not agree with its marketing policy, but if the source is available, then it's fine by me. [ December 30, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ] Logged Support-FreeSoftware.org Kintaro Member Posts: 6,539 Kudos: 254 Greed is the sole driver of human progress Lindows « Reply #6 on: 31 December 2003, 05:02 » They know to well that if they break the GPL then there marketing wont work because geeks wont throw in the good word. Companys like Red-Hat dont have to advertise because they know that there are a lot of geeks that have no problem making them slaves to there marketing system and hence, helping the company get rich. [ December 30, 2003: Message edited by: X11: Troll Erudition ] Logged Refalm rules with a broken fist! Your Internet needs You: http://tmrepository.com/ My shitty website: www.johntate.org Ever been geeky enough to be able to talk on finch over ssh? With a www.fawltyservers.com shell account, your e-penis is bigger. My extremist blog: www.extremecapitalists.com flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Lindows « Reply #7 on: 31 December 2003, 18:09 » quote: Originally posted by Panos: flap, I retract my comment.I was refering to the source code, but now I see that it is available, after checking with the Lindows.com FAQ. My mistake, and I humbly apologize to Lindows users for it. I may not agree with its marketing policy, but if the source is available, then it's fine by me. [ December 30, 2003: Message edited by: Panos ] Well although they don't violate the GPL, the system as a whole is still proprietary as their own software falls under a non-free licence, so I agree with you that Lindows is not a good thing. Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca Pantso Member Posts: 1,249 Kudos: 55 Lindows « Reply #8 on: 31 December 2003, 18:26 » Yes. We definitely agree on that! BTW flap, I suppose that you are using a GNU/Linux distribution. Can you tell me which, because I have a very strong feeling that you are running Debian. How close was I? Logged Support-FreeSoftware.org flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Lindows « Reply #9 on: 31 December 2003, 19:21 » Sorry no, Red Hat. Though I've decided to ditch that and move to Slackware. I would like to use Debian but they're too far behind in terms of including up to date packages. Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca Pantso Member Posts: 1,249 Kudos: 55 Lindows « Reply #10 on: 31 December 2003, 19:29 » Damn! I thought I was 'right on target'. Are you still using RH or have you 'moved' to Fedora? In any case, I believe that Slackware is a better choice Logged Support-FreeSoftware.org flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Lindows « Reply #11 on: 31 December 2003, 20:03 » No, I haven't used Fedora, but it was Red Hat's discontinuation of their home distribution that inspired me to want to switch. I could use Fedora I suppose, but Slackware is attractive for a few reasons (simplicity, less hand holding, BSD style init etc.) Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca Mistshadow Member Posts: 90 Kudos: 0 Lindows « Reply #12 on: 10 January 2004, 20:37 » quote: PS: Not all the software is free, you have to pay for extra (free) software. True. This is the only things that keeps me from recommending Lindows. Other than that, it would be great. But I don't understand one thing. Lindows is Debian-based. Can't you just edit your sources list and apt-get any software you want? Logged "Given the choice between accomplishing something and just lying around, I'd rather lie around. No contest." - Eric Clapton Calum Global Moderator Posts: 7,812 Kudos: 1000 Lindows « Reply #13 on: 10 January 2004, 21:31 » for total newbies i have to say i think mandrake is up there with the best of them no matter what you say about lindows, plus it is fairly similar to red hat, the nearest thing we have to a standard, and i think that's a good thing because fragmenting newbies with a lot of nonstandard stuff will only weaken the hold of linux amongst the userbase. and if lycoris desktop would sort itself out it would qualify as a good one for a newbie too i think. i have not tried suse or lindows sadly, so can't comment, but from what i have heard about lindows, it sounds like lycoris. newbie aimed, but with a lot of rough corners. plus lycoris is free and lindows isn't, so who you gonna call? i still say mandrake though, although i frown on their dumbass installer which hides all the options you will want to change once you've installed the system. 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