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rtgwbmsr · « **Reply #15 on:** 22 April 2003, 21:02 »

quote:
Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:

well I wouldn't say its unbearable, but my 1.7 Athlon is way faster in Windows and Linux, although, those aren't really comparable systems. I got 640 RAM. Its way faster than my 600 iBook but I wish it was faster. Takes like 20 seconds just to open Photoshop, and takes a couple bounces to open any browser. The worst program is iPhoto. Damn that thing is slow. I also run it at 1600x1200 which is really hard, big windows minimize sort of choppy. At 1280x1024 everything is smooth, but still same operating speed. I like the realestate. Hell, my dock doesn't even fit on a 1280x1024 screen without being made smaller.

So really, the NeXT systems are dead slow. I actually wanted to ask what the difference between openstep and nextstep are. At blackhole inc they give you the choice on everything between openstep and nextstep. do you happen to know the difference?

[ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]

We obviously have a different view of "fast"

More on Openstep vs. Nextstep:

quote:
You may be able to purchase a copy through used computer resellers (or via the comp.sys.next newsgroups). The consensus seems to be that NextStep 3.3 is a good choice for black hardware and that OpenStep 4.2 is a better choice for later architectures (Intel, Sparc), but OpenStep runs on black hardware also. (I ran 3.3 on Nextstations and 4.2 on a Sparc 5.) (But now I run 10.1 on a 500mHz/G3 PM8600!)

and here:
http://www.non.com/news.answers/NeXT-FAQ.html

rtgwbmsr · « **Reply #16 on:** 22 April 2003, 21:04 »

quote:
Originally posted by chaosforages:
its quite obvoiusly why this NeXT question was in the apple section, OSX is based off of NeXTSTEP

OS X is based off of the "Mach" kernel, which was part of NeXTStep, and later OpenStep.

Pantso · « **Reply #17 on:** 22 April 2003, 16:51 »

quote:
Originally posted by Webmaster:
I wouldn't say *nobody* has a NeXT machine. I do.

Lucky bastard.

billy_gates · « **Reply #18 on:** 22 April 2003, 18:25 »

quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin Man:

OS X is based off of the "Mach" kernel, which was part of NeXTStep, and later OpenStep.

It goes far deeper than that. If you do some research on NeXTSTEP and OSX (or you can just own OSX) you will see that you program the same "exact" way in both of them. Interface Builder and Project Builder are the same in NeXT as they are in X. It also has some UI features which OSX doesn't even have because "it would be too different from OS9" so I wanted to check it out, and I wanted the full NeXT experience. Then I decided I should go all the way and go for a Cube. I will probably wait a couple of years until I have excess money just layin around.

psyjax · « **Reply #19 on:** 22 April 2003, 18:30 »

OSX is not slow, but it is deffinetly not as "snappie" interface wise as other OSs. I wish I could turn off the eye-candy.

Calum · « **Reply #20 on:** 22 April 2003, 19:53 »

if NeXT* doesn't run on a macintosh, i move that somebody drop this thread into the 'Other OSs' section please.

Kintaro · « **Reply #21 on:** 22 April 2003, 20:40 »

quote:
Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:

but my 1.7 Athlon is way faster in Windows and Linux

Blashemy!

rtgwbmsr · « **Reply #22 on:** 23 April 2003, 02:03 »

quote:
Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
I wish I could turn off the eye-candy.

Just boot to OS 9 (All OS 9 is, is OS X w/o the shiny stuff. If you have carbonlib.)

psyjax · « **Reply #23 on:** 23 April 2003, 03:20 »

quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin Man:

Just boot to OS 9 (All OS 9 is, is OS X w/o the shiny stuff. If you have carbonlib.)

Nothing could be farther from the truth. OSX never crashes for one thing, it multitasks amazingly, and it's guts are made of UNIX.

All carbon lib. does is give you access to Navigation Servecis which in tern is a bridge to carbonizing apps for OSX.

Now, if OSX had the option of putting the classic interface back on, Id do it in a heart beat. I mean, for speed purposes is all.

billy_gates · « **Reply #24 on:** 23 April 2003, 03:24 »

quote:
Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:

Nothing could be farther from the truth. OSX never crashes for one thing, it multitasks amazingly, and it's guts are made of UNIX.

All carbon lib. does is give you access to Navigation Servecis which in tern is a bridge to carbonizing apps for OSX.

Now, if OSX had the option of putting the classic interface back on, Id do it in a heart beat. I mean, for speed purposes is all.

I wouldn't, OSX is pretty. It also probably wouldn't speed it up that much. It would still have to use Quartz because all of the apps use that so you can see them. So essentially it would just be changing pretty pictures with ugly ones which would offer probably little to no speed change.

quote:
if NeXT* doesn't run on a macintosh, i move that somebody drop this thread into the 'Other OSs' section please.

I say because Apple owns NeXT that it should stay in the Mac section.

[ April 22, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]

Pantso · « **Reply #25 on:** 23 April 2003, 03:26 »

I don't know but I like OS 9. OS X is definitely more stable and beautiful but OS 9 has something else. Anyway, i like both.

Kintaro · « **Reply #26 on:** 28 April 2003, 15:22 »

quote:
Originally posted by chaosforages:
its quite obvoiusly why this NeXT question was in the apple section, OSX is based off of NeXTSTEP

So VMS should be in the Windows section?

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At blackhole inc they give you the choice on everything between openstep and nextstep. do you happen to know the difference? [ April 21, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ] We obviously have a different view of "fast" More on Openstep vs. Nextstep: quote: You may be able to purchase a copy through used computer resellers (or via the comp.sys.next newsgroups). The consensus seems to be that NextStep 3.3 is a good choice for black hardware and that OpenStep 4.2 is a better choice for later architectures (Intel, Sparc), but OpenStep runs on black hardware also. (I ran 3.3 on Nextstations and 4.2 on a Sparc 5.) (But now I run 10.1 on a 500mHz/G3 PM8600!) and here: http://www.non.com/news.answers/NeXT-FAQ.html Logged Check out my website (especially the wallpapers) Support free digital art! rtgwbmsr VIP Posts: 1,257 Kudos: 0 NeXTSTEP « Reply #16 on: 22 April 2003, 21:04 » quote: Originally posted by chaosforages: its quite obvoiusly why this NeXT question was in the apple section, OSX is based off of NeXTSTEP OS X is based off of the "Mach" kernel, which was part of NeXTStep, and later OpenStep. Logged Check out my website (especially the wallpapers) Support free digital art! Pantso Member Posts: 1,249 Kudos: 55 NeXTSTEP « Reply #17 on: 22 April 2003, 16:51 » quote: Originally posted by Webmaster: *I wouldn't say nobody* has a NeXT machine. I do. Lucky bastard. 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All carbon lib. does is give you access to Navigation Servecis which in tern is a bridge to carbonizing apps for OSX. Now, if OSX had the option of putting the classic interface back on, Id do it in a heart beat. I mean, for speed purposes is all. Logged Psyjax! I RULEZZZZ!!! HAR HAR HAR billy_gates Member Posts: 801 Kudos: 0 NeXTSTEP « Reply #24 on: 23 April 2003, 03:24 » quote: Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax: Nothing could be farther from the truth. OSX never crashes for one thing, it multitasks amazingly, and it's guts are made of UNIX. All carbon lib. does is give you access to Navigation Servecis which in tern is a bridge to carbonizing apps for OSX. Now, if OSX had the option of putting the classic interface back on, Id do it in a heart beat. I mean, for speed purposes is all. I wouldn't, OSX is pretty. It also probably wouldn't speed it up that much. It would still have to use Quartz because all of the apps use that so you can see them. So essentially it would just be changing pretty pictures with ugly ones which would offer probably little to no speed change. quote: if NeXT* doesn't run on a macintosh, i move that somebody drop this thread into the 'Other OSs' section please. I say because Apple owns NeXT that it should stay in the Mac section. [ April 22, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ] Logged Tired of the MES? Take A Visit To My Site Pantso Member Posts: 1,249 Kudos: 55 NeXTSTEP « Reply #25 on: 23 April 2003, 03:26 » I don't know but I like OS 9. OS X is definitely more stable and beautiful but OS 9 has something else. Anyway, i like both. Logged Support-FreeSoftware.org Kintaro Member Posts: 6,539 Kudos: 254 Greed is the sole driver of human progress NeXTSTEP « Reply #26 on: 28 April 2003, 15:22 » quote: Originally posted by chaosforages: its quite obvoiusly why this NeXT question was in the apple section, OSX is based off of NeXTSTEP So VMS should be in the Windows section? 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