Author Topic: Political views (not another war thread) (Read 919 times)

devlkore · « **on:** 21 March 2003, 02:24 »

Howdy people,
I was wondering what all of you political views were, since most, if not all of you believe in free software, which seems like a very anti or non-capitalist thing to believe.
Also, I'm generally interested in politics on a personal level.

So, what are you political views and ideals, etc.

BYEEEEE!!

Siplus · « **Reply #1 on:** 21 March 2003, 02:35 »

heh...what a time to ask about what everyone's political view are. i've been battling over my view on these forums for about a week now.

i am a capitialist, strange that in open source software though (GO Linux!). i'm a conservative (will be republican when i turn 18, if you care about US politics). basically, i am:
pro-gun
pro-life (against abortion, if you don't know)
i hate the recent stream of idiotic lawsuits
i'm pro-iraq war
i hate the french--this is a recent occurance
i hate liberals, for the most part
i hate clinton and his sidekick gore
i support president bush

anything else?

flap · « **Reply #2 on:** 21 March 2003, 02:53 »

Yes, you forgot to say you're pro-death-penalty (despite your supposedly being "pro-life").

Siplus · « **Reply #3 on:** 21 March 2003, 03:03 »

yes, forgive me
i am pro-capital punishment/pro-death-penalty, whichever you perfer

i believe that people who:
a) mass murder
b) rape/kill children
c) terrorists (i guess that'd go w/ a, though)
d) stupid people (but this won't happen...our populations would become too small)

should suffer death rather then spend the rest of their worthless lives in prison (or in society--for d.). why would i want the government to use my tax dollars to let these people live relitively well (they are better off then the homeless) for the rest of their miserable existence? i'm a christian, so i should beleive in forgiveness, believing that these people can repent/actually be sorry for what they did. but they are not worth the risk of letting back into society, and they are not worth the air they breath.

(btw: j/k about the executing stupid ppl

)

flap · « **Reply #4 on:** 21 March 2003, 03:08 »

So you're not pro-life, basically.

I agree that certain types of stupidity should be punishable by death, but then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

quote:
i'm a christian

At this point my eyes glaze over and I see the futility of trying to reason with the right-winger.

Siplus · « **Reply #5 on:** 21 March 2003, 03:18 »

oh really? cool. maybe the fact that i'm Catholic will prevent morons from debating with me then

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Siplus: *Capitalist* ]

devlkore · « **Reply #6 on:** 21 March 2003, 03:23 »

Well, this is getting interesting.

slave · « **Reply #7 on:** 21 March 2003, 03:25 »

Me?

I'm a socialist. I've written a lot about this in other posts, so I won't go into detail. I think the philosopy of the free software movement could and should be extended to the rest of society. People who agree with the FSF are really socialists themselves who don't wish to apply the same thinking to other areas of life.

I'm an atheist. And no I dont hate religion, being an atheist means I can fully appreciate *all* the religions of the world and the mythologies behind them, not just one particular religion. I'm fascinated by all the stories and legends people have created throughout history to try to explain the universe around them. I'd also never look down on a religious person unless they told me I was going to hell or something. That pisses me off.

I'm an independent in terms of political orientation, though I tend more towards "liberal" politics sometimes than "conservative" ones.

I hate lawyers for the most part and frivilous lawsuits, yet at the same time realize that they're often the only way for citizens to protect themselves from big corporations and their abusive behavior.

I think George Bush is a tool and is a bigger threat to world peace than Saddam is.

xyle_one · « **Reply #8 on:** 21 March 2003, 03:33 »

i agree with LinuxUser. But i am not an atheist. i believe in something. but i will not debate religion here. i cant even debate with my freinds (who are mostly christian fanatics, soldiers if you will

) in a civilized manner.

papercut · « **Reply #9 on:** 21 March 2003, 04:28 »

I'm socialist.

slave · « **Reply #10 on:** 21 March 2003, 04:48 »

quote:
who are mostly christian fanatics, soldiers if you will

To quote Bill Clinton, I feel your pain!
I grew up in hickville and there are people there who stand outside Chevron with big signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS" and "INFIDELS BURN IN HELL" It's totally sickening. Most of my friends totally misunderstood me when I said I didn't believe in god; they thought I was evil, or that I worshiped devils, or something.

slave · « **Reply #11 on:** 21 March 2003, 04:50 »

quote:
i hate the french--this is a recent occurance

Wow, you hate an entire country of people? All of them? Even the women and children?

A note, the US probably wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the help they received from the French during the Revolutionary War.

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]

xyle_one · « **Reply #12 on:** 21 March 2003, 04:58 »

quote:
Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:

To quote Bill Clinton, I feel your pain!
I grew up in hickville and there are people there who stand outside Chevron with big signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS" and "INFIDELS BURN IN HELL" It's totally sickening. Most of my friends totally misunderstood me when I said I didn't believe in god; they thought I was evil, or that I worshiped devils, or something.

yeah. how can you worship devils if you don't believe in god?? one cannot exist without the other. so i am not going to hell or heaven. they might, but im not because i do not believe in it. thats what trips my freinds up. does the bible even say "God hates fags"? i doubt it. even if it does, it was written by men. might as well make Dr Suess my savior and worship his stories. ill call it "Suessinsanity"

oh yeah, i do not hate the French. and im not calling my fries "Freedom Fries". that is jut silly & immature.

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: ecsyle_one ]

slave · « **Reply #13 on:** 21 March 2003, 05:07 »

quote:
does the bible even say "God hates fags"? i doubt it. even if it does, it was written by men. might as well make Dr Suess my savior and worship his stories. ill call it "Suessinsanity"

There's a passage in Leviticus I think (or Exodus) that says "whoever lies down with a man as he does with a woman shall surely be put to death" or something like that. You're right about the Dr. Suess business though. Actually I think his books contain more insight than the Bible and everything in it.

Just read "The Butter-Battle Book" for instance.

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]

papercut · « **Reply #14 on:** 21 March 2003, 05:12 »

Have you seen the hardees or some fast food restaurant, where they call french cowards, and they surrendered every war? well we wouldn't have won the american revolutionary war, if the french didn't support us. And they might have won the french revolution if the us didn't turn on them and stay neutral. They said they made the alliance with the old government. The french fry wasn't created in france, and are we going to send france back the statue of liberty now.

Why they hell would you hate them just becaue they don't agree with a dumbass hick like bush. It wasn't just france, most of america don't agree with Bush's stupid propaganda either. we're the ones wrong we are attacking innocent people.

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Logged sono sain wa nihongo desu Siplus Member Posts: 522 Kudos: 43 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #1 on: 21 March 2003, 02:35 » heh...what a time to ask about what everyone's political view are. i've been battling over my view on these forums for about a week now. i am a capitialist, strange that in open source software though (GO Linux!). i'm a conservative (will be republican when i turn 18, if you care about US politics). basically, i am: pro-gun pro-life (against abortion, if you don't know) i hate the recent stream of idiotic lawsuits i'm pro-iraq war i hate the french--this is a recent occurance i hate liberals, for the most part i hate clinton and his sidekick gore i support president bush anything else? Logged http://www.siplus.org "Your computer is already fucked up by having Windows on it, you can only unfuck it up by installing Linux." -- void main (old school MES member) Desktop: Athlon 2600/ 768mb DDR266 --Running: Ubuntu 5.10, FC4, Win2k (Also, Unbuntu 6-06:5, 5.04; Fedora Core 5, WinXP, but none of these are used much) 12" Powerbook: 1.5 Ghz G4 PowerPC / 1.25 GB DDR333 --Running: Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #2 on: 21 March 2003, 02:53 » Yes, you forgot to say you're pro-death-penalty (despite your supposedly being "pro-life"). Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca Siplus Member Posts: 522 Kudos: 43 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #3 on: 21 March 2003, 03:03 » yes, forgive me i am pro-capital punishment/pro-death-penalty, whichever you perfer i believe that people who: a) mass murder b) rape/kill children c) terrorists (i guess that'd go w/ a, though) d) stupid people (but this won't happen...our populations would become too small) should suffer death rather then spend the rest of their worthless lives in prison (or in society--for d.). why would i want the government to use my tax dollars to let these people live relitively well (they are better off then the homeless) for the rest of their miserable existence? i'm a christian, so i should beleive in forgiveness, believing that these people can repent/actually be sorry for what they did. but they are not worth the risk of letting back into society, and they are not worth the air they breath. (btw: j/k about the executing stupid ppl ) Logged http://www.siplus.org "Your computer is already fucked up by having Windows on it, you can only unfuck it up by installing Linux." -- void main (old school MES member) Desktop: Athlon 2600/ 768mb DDR266 --Running: Ubuntu 5.10, FC4, Win2k (Also, Unbuntu 6-06:5, 5.04; Fedora Core 5, WinXP, but none of these are used much) 12" Powerbook: 1.5 Ghz G4 PowerPC / 1.25 GB DDR333 --Running: Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #4 on: 21 March 2003, 03:08 » So you're not pro-life, basically. I agree that certain types of stupidity should be punishable by death, but then we wouldn't be having this conversation. quote: i'm a christian At this point my eyes glaze over and I see the futility of trying to reason with the right-winger. Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca Siplus Member Posts: 522 Kudos: 43 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #5 on: 21 March 2003, 03:18 » oh really? cool. maybe the fact that i'm Catholic will prevent morons from debating with me then [ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Siplus: Capitalist ] Logged http://www.siplus.org "Your computer is already fucked up by having Windows on it, you can only unfuck it up by installing Linux." -- void main (old school MES member) Desktop: Athlon 2600/ 768mb DDR266 --Running: Ubuntu 5.10, FC4, Win2k (Also, Unbuntu 6-06:5, 5.04; Fedora Core 5, WinXP, but none of these are used much) 12" Powerbook: 1.5 Ghz G4 PowerPC / 1.25 GB DDR333 --Running: Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger devlkore Member Posts: 47 Kudos: 0 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #6 on: 21 March 2003, 03:23 » Well, this is getting interesting. Logged sono sain wa nihongo desu slave Member Posts: 1,136 Kudos: 0 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #7 on: 21 March 2003, 03:25 » Me? I'm a socialist. I've written a lot about this in other posts, so I won't go into detail. I think the philosopy of the free software movement could and should be extended to the rest of society. People who agree with the FSF are really socialists themselves who don't wish to apply the same thinking to other areas of life. I'm an atheist. And no I dont hate religion, being an atheist means I can fully appreciate all the religions of the world and the mythologies behind them, not just one particular religion. I'm fascinated by all the stories and legends people have created throughout history to try to explain the universe around them. I'd also never look down on a religious person unless they told me I was going to hell or something. That pisses me off. I'm an independent in terms of political orientation, though I tend more towards "liberal" politics sometimes than "conservative" ones. I hate lawyers for the most part and frivilous lawsuits, yet at the same time realize that they're often the only way for citizens to protect themselves from big corporations and their abusive behavior. I think George Bush is a tool and is a bigger threat to world peace than Saddam is. Logged woodland@bayou.com xyle_one VIP Posts: 2,213 Kudos: 135 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #8 on: 21 March 2003, 03:33 » i agree with LinuxUser. But i am not an atheist. i believe in something. but i will not debate religion here. i cant even debate with my freinds (who are mostly christian fanatics, soldiers if you will ) in a civilized manner. Logged papercut Member Posts: 31 Kudos: 0 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #9 on: 21 March 2003, 04:28 » I'm socialist. Logged slave Member Posts: 1,136 Kudos: 0 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #10 on: 21 March 2003, 04:48 » quote: who are mostly christian fanatics, soldiers if you will To quote Bill Clinton, I feel your pain! I grew up in hickville and there are people there who stand outside Chevron with big signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS" and "INFIDELS BURN IN HELL" It's totally sickening. Most of my friends totally misunderstood me when I said I didn't believe in god; they thought I was evil, or that I worshiped devils, or something. Logged woodland@bayou.com slave Member Posts: 1,136 Kudos: 0 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #11 on: 21 March 2003, 04:50 » quote: i hate the french--this is a recent occurance Wow, you hate an entire country of people? All of them? Even the women and children? A note, the US probably wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for the help they received from the French during the Revolutionary War. [ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ] Logged woodland@bayou.com xyle_one VIP Posts: 2,213 Kudos: 135 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #12 on: 21 March 2003, 04:58 » quote: Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375: To quote Bill Clinton, I feel your pain! I grew up in hickville and there are people there who stand outside Chevron with big signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS" and "INFIDELS BURN IN HELL" It's totally sickening. Most of my friends totally misunderstood me when I said I didn't believe in god; they thought I was evil, or that I worshiped devils, or something. yeah. how can you worship devils if you don't believe in god?? one cannot exist without the other. so i am not going to hell or heaven. they might, but im not because i do not believe in it. thats what trips my freinds up. does the bible even say "God hates fags"? i doubt it. even if it does, it was written by men. might as well make Dr Suess my savior and worship his stories. ill call it "Suessinsanity" oh yeah, i do not hate the French. and im not calling my fries "Freedom Fries". that is jut silly & immature. [ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: ecsyle_one ] Logged slave Member Posts: 1,136 Kudos: 0 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #13 on: 21 March 2003, 05:07 » quote: does the bible even say "God hates fags"? i doubt it. even if it does, it was written by men. might as well make Dr Suess my savior and worship his stories. ill call it "Suessinsanity" There's a passage in Leviticus I think (or Exodus) that says "whoever lies down with a man as he does with a woman shall surely be put to death" or something like that. You're right about the Dr. Suess business though. Actually I think his books contain more insight than the Bible and everything in it. Just read "The Butter-Battle Book" for instance. [ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ] Logged woodland@bayou.com papercut Member Posts: 31 Kudos: 0 Political views (not another war thread) « Reply #14 on: 21 March 2003, 05:12 » Have you seen the hardees or some fast food restaurant, where they call french cowards, and they surrendered every war? well we wouldn't have won the american revolutionary war, if the french didn't support us. And they might have won the french revolution if the us didn't turn on them and stay neutral. They said they made the alliance with the old government. The french fry wasn't created in france, and are we going to send france back the statue of liberty now. Why they hell would you hate them just becaue they don't agree with a dumbass hick like bush. It wasn't just france, most of america don't agree with Bush's stupid propaganda either. we're the ones wrong we are attacking innocent people. 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