Hacking texts/books

[Bojo-Pimp]

I'm young (16) but I feel my attitude in day-to-day life reflects that of a true hacker and not one of a spate of day to day hackers in today's society.
Are there any books you can recommend on the subject of hacking?

AM

[choasforages]

im going to /*misassume*/ that you are asking about the right definitino of hacking, which is progrmaing, and not cracking, breaking into computers

ok, orielly has a few good books on perl, c++, linux, and a few other langauges, go to the local book store, or library

ok, now if you want to learn about breaking into computers WRONG FORUM, go post it in the linux/unix forum, or the lounge,

[lazygamer]

quote:ok, now if you want to learn about breaking into computers WRONG FORUM, go post it in the linux/unix forum, or the lounge,

Ummmm are you sure he won't get chewed out for posting cracking related questions in those forums either?  

Although I suppose asking questions from the defender point of view would definitly be valid. IE:Im tierd of gettin rapped by these 31337 hackors in IRC. How do u avod this?  

On a sidenote about the whole hacker/cracker thing. I remember seeing a book at Costco called "Hackers challenge". It was obviously written from a defender perspective, but it called crackers, "Hackers". So obviously an author who confused those two isn't as computer adept as he thinks right? It's like having a doctor who smokes a pack a day or a dentist who doesn't take good care of his teeth.

[KernelPanic]

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:


Ummmm are you sure he won't get chewed out for posting cracking related questions in those forums either?    

Although I suppose asking questions from the defender point of view would definitly be valid. IE:Im tierd of gettin rapped by these 31337 hackors in IRC. How do u avod this?    

On a sidenote about the whole hacker/cracker thing. I remember seeing a book at Costco called "Hackers challenge". It was obviously written from a defender perspective, but it called crackers, "Hackers". So obviously an author who confused those two isn't as computer adept as he thinks right? It's like having a doctor who smokes a pack a day or a dentist who doesn't take good care of his teeth.

Don't use IRC lol  

In response to the original question the 'Unnoficial Guide to Ethical Hacking' is good book, but not very technical. Check it out at your local borders.

[voidmain]

That's why I have always preferred the terms programming and programmer when referring to programming, and why I wish this forums name would be changed. I believe most people think of breaking in to computers and networks when the terms hacking and hacker are used.

[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

[KernelPanic]

Yeah there is a major identity crisis going on with hacking, cracking, hacker and cracker.

[Neuro7]

Check out hackerslab.org

Neuro7

[choasforages]

hmmm, why don't we just add "computer security" to the description of this forum, their no more hacking missnamed

[maclaxguy]

Though many people have many different views on what a hacker is, and what a cracker is, here's what I've heard (by far) the most:  A hacker is someone who can program, knows the internet, and knows operating systems.  They generally use this knowledge for good, or personal experimentation.  A cracker is someone who uses that knowledge (or someone else's script [fucking script kiddies]) in a purposefully malicous manner.  They're also refered to as White-Hat, and Black-Hat hackers, respectfully.
That said, one of the all time best books for learning your stuff is "Maximum Security: A hackers guide to protecting your internet site and network".  It's easily over 800 pages long, so it'l take you a while.
I also suggest you look around on the web.  There are some great tuts out there.  The best way is also, if possible, to set up your own network and hack into your own machines.  That way, when your still a n00bie, and you make a mistake, your not logged.
I hope that helps,
maclaxguy

[ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: maclaxguy ]

[maclaxguy]

quote:
Although I suppose asking questions from the defender point of view would definitly be valid. IE:Im tierd of gettin rapped by these 31337 hackors in IRC. How do u avod this?    

Most "3l337 hax0rs" who flame a n00bie who is asking valid questions, are really dumb-asses who really have no idea what they're doing.  They're probably sitting on their WinTel machines with a ping-of-death prog that they downloaded.  A real hacker will almost always help you out with your questions.

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by maclaxguy:


Most "3l337 hax0rs" who flame a n00bie who is asking valid questions, are really dumb-asses who really have no idea what they're doing.  They're probably sitting on their WinTel machines with a ping-of-death prog that they downloaded.  A real hacker will almost always help you out with your questions.

that is of course someone doesn't ask something like "How do I hack..." or "I need to get into my girl friend's..." or something like that.

[ October 20, 2002: Message edited by: Stryker ]

[Chooco]

there are no books to tell you how to be a l33t h4x0r but there are books that teach you some flaws to look at.... O'Reilly books point at flaws a LOT actually. my PHP book has an entire chapter dedicated to how flaws in programming can be exploited with numerous examples of what a program is asked to do and how that can be exploited.

if yer really interesting in being l337 h4xor check out the O'Reilly book on TCP/IP as well as Practical C++

[ravuya]

There are a multitude of pests who think the term 'hacker' means people who break into computers. I generally regard them as a bunch of pimply teenagers who just want the media high off of being a cracker or script kiddie.

I find those kind of people unwelcome in any serious discussion on technology, and I'm sure many of you do too. They pirate software, can't spell or punctuate properly, and use other people's scripts to do what they want.

[Calum]

quote:Originally posted by choasforages:
im going to /*misassume*/ that you are asking about the right definitino of hacking, which is progrmaing, and not cracking, breaking into computers

ok, orielly has a few good books on perl, c++, linux, and a few other langauges, go to the local book store, or library

ok, now if you want to learn about breaking into computers WRONG FORUM, go post it in the linux/unix forum, or the lounge,

how do you know he wasn't really asking about hacking? if he was then this whole discussion was embarrasingly pointless...

edit, if interested in internet nooks and crannies, or an intro to information technology, then i recommend the book mentioned in all of the following links:

http://www.nostarch.com/stcb2.htm

http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=1239/urm0101e/

http://www.unixreview.com/documents/s=1373/urmb6/

[ October 25, 2002: Message edited by: Calum-21.2 ]

[Kintaro]

quote:Originally posted by maclaxguy:


Most "3l337 hax0rs" who flame a n00bie who is asking valid questions, are really dumb-asses who really have no idea what they're doing.  They're probably sitting on their WinTel machines with a ping-of-death prog that they downloaded.  A real hacker will almost always help you out with your questions.

Ping of death program? WIndows? Unless its 2000 or XP Windows for DOS or anyother attack that requires modifying the TCP headers are usless unless on an Operating SYstem with full Unix Sockets. Ping-of-death is a type of bot for CounterStrike  

Does this show how clueless you are? The people who go around calling themselfs 1337 h4x0rs are

• 10% Authentic (RiceX Gangs)
• 10% Twelve Year olds
• 80% People with nothing better to do who know what there doing and just making an arse of themselfs.