Author Topic: Firewall for Windows? (Read 767 times)

lazygamer · « **on:** 18 April 2003, 01:20 »

What is the best(or one of the best) freeware(or free to non-corporate customers, depending on license agreement) Wind0ze firewall?

Now I'm not seriously counting on me being quite safe with Windows and a firewall, but it's a good place to learn how to use one I suppose.

If I want true security(but this is less about security and more about learning) I'll turn to Linux, I know the drill. But we'll talk about Linux firewalls when I get an external DSL modem or Linux suddenly starts supporting internal DSLs.

I know this is sort of Windows BBS material, but it actually skirts the rules for the MES windows forum because I'm not asking for help with X Windows problem, nor am I asking for pirated software.

Besides, WinBBS is full of losers, I respect the intelligence of those here...

Pantso · « **Reply #1 on:** 18 April 2003, 01:31 »

I believe that one of the best firewalls for windows is ZoneAlarm. I haven't used windows for quite a while though, since I mostly use OS X and Linux. Perhaps, others can help more.

mobrien_12 · « **Reply #2 on:** 18 April 2003, 21:59 »

Tiny Personal Firewall is good too. Not as many features but it allows you better control (IMHO) over rule specification, making it a little more like linux firewalls.

The old version is free for non-commercial use and is what I use.

Faust · « **Reply #3 on:** 18 April 2003, 11:38 »

Kerio personal firewall is good and free (note lowercase free)
Norton personal firewall performs far far better at blocking portscans (tested with www.grc.com, www.pcflank.com and some scanners I downloaded) than zone alarm does. I know scanning isnt the only thing it should be good at (eg should also stop plain wrong packets) but i cant be bothered testing for other stuff (and i wouldnt know what i was doing) and if your on a dsl modem your probably mainly worried about kiddies with scanners anyway. That said the "logging" feature in norton is annoying and it is expensive. I still believe for client end windows comps its good though.

However! Obviously its a win program and nothing could really secure a dam with taht many holes... wouldnt it be nice if there was some way to put a dedicated firewall on a cool OS "in between" your computer and your isp? wouldnt it be even better if the cost of the old comp for that dedicated hardware firewall was cheaper than most win firewall apps? heres the ultimate solution! smoothwall!

this puppy comes with a pretty full on firewall, AND it masquerades your computers behind it AND its been hardened up for security AND you dont need to waste your desktops CPU cycles on a firewall ap AND the cost of the (not necessarily fast) computer to run it on would be no more than $50 AUS ($25 US) AND theres no need to waste desktop box hdd space or RAM on a firewall app AND with a hub you can have one firewall managing multiple comps so you dont need to mantain seperate firewalls on multiple comps at once! AND if your "interested in learning" like you said then seeing the output of iptables -L will help a lot as will reading an iptables script

BUT WAIT! THERES MORE!

AND its Free Software!!! (in BOTH terms!)

Ah CRAP! Ignore alll the above just noticed that theyre still working on DHCP... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
sorry - AND you can wait till they add dhcp support!
edit : ha ha ha! I was wrong! Smoothwall still "0WnZ j00 4r$3" 8-)

[ April 18, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]

KernelPanic · « **Reply #4 on:** 18 April 2003, 14:11 »

quote:

Ah CRAP! Ignore alll the above just noticed that theyre still working on DHCP... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
sorry - AND you can wait till they add dhcp support!

[ April 18, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ][/QB]

I dunno about that, DHCP works on my smoothwall. Maybe you're talking about beta?

Faust · « **Reply #5 on:** 18 April 2003, 14:22 »

Hmmm... actually re reading the page they may have been talking about having a computer in the DMZ giving a dynamic IP to a computer in the green zone... which is not a problem to us really as a desktop computer behind smoothwall really only needs to be static, smoothwall is the only one that needs the dynamic IP which is probably fine. So smoothwall is go! Provided I can somehow get a cd-rom drive into my freebie P66... which will require me getting into the BIOS... which will require me knowing the BIOS password. :rolleyes: Honestly if you giving away a good computer why the hell wouldnt you just write the BIOS password on the case???

and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was *weird*

flap · « **Reply #6 on:** 18 April 2003, 15:54 »

Install it over a network connection from another machine.

Refalm · « **Reply #7 on:** 18 April 2003, 17:41 »

quote:
Faust: which will require me getting into the BIOS... which will require me knowing the BIOS password. :rolleyes: Honestly if you giving away a good computer why the hell wouldnt you just write the BIOS password on the case???

and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was *weird*

You have to move a jumper to reset the BIOS. I don't which one it was, but if I see it, I will post it here...

Faust · « **Reply #8 on:** 19 April 2003, 04:29 »

Cool ta.

I'll have a look at the pheonix bios web page too, they may have given them all a global password.

TheQuirk · « **Reply #9 on:** 19 April 2003, 05:59 »

quote:
Originally posted by Faust:
and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was *weird*

For how long?

Zombie9920 · « **Reply #10 on:** 19 April 2003, 12:36 »

quote:
Originally posted by Faust:
and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was *weird*

Remove the battery for like 15 seconds, power on the system(with no battery), power down the system at the BIOS post screen, re-insert the battery then power on the system again. Now there should be no password(please note you will need to re-configure the BIOS to get the best performance out of the machine).

You can achieve the same results if you set the CMOS jumper to clear CMOS, power on the system, power down the system, place the jumper back into the normal operation position, yada, yada.

[ April 19, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

lazygamer · « **Reply #11 on:** 19 April 2003, 20:09 »

quote:
However! Obviously its a win program and nothing could really secure a dam with taht many holes... wouldnt it be nice if there was some way to put a dedicated firewall on a cool OS "in between" your computer and your isp? wouldnt it be even better if the cost of the old comp for that dedicated hardware firewall was cheaper than most win firewall apps? heres the ultimate solution! smoothwall!

this puppy comes with a pretty full on firewall, AND it masquerades your computers behind it AND its been hardened up for security AND you dont need to waste your desktops CPU cycles on a firewall ap AND the cost of the (not necessarily fast) computer to run it on would be no more than $50 AUS ($25 US) AND theres no need to waste desktop box hdd space or RAM on a firewall app AND with a hub you can have one firewall managing multiple comps so you dont need to mantain seperate firewalls on multiple comps at once! AND if your "interested in learning" like you said then seeing the output of iptables -L will help a lot as will reading an iptables script

Wow, sounds good! I'll get something like that when I'm living on my own.

How does that work anyways? Does it work better than a regular firewall because the whole OS can be devoted soley to firewall duties? I'd assume that a firewall must cut down on how often it can scan stuff or it would slow the shit out of a system.

I am on DSL, so kiddies are my biggest concern.

HPC GUY · « **Reply #12 on:** 20 April 2003, 01:20 »

www.sygate.com
free for non corporate customers
great if u ask me. it detected and stopped a D0s attack from fucking up my cpu.

raptor · « **Reply #13 on:** 20 April 2003, 05:37 »

quote:
Originally posted by Panos:
I believe that one of the best firewalls for windows is ZoneAlarm. I haven't used windows for quite a while though, since I mostly use OS X and Linux. Perhaps, others can help more.

ZA is not a good firewall to use at all.

[ April 19, 2003: Message edited by: raptor ]

[ April 19, 2003: Message edited by: raptor ]

Fett101 · « **Reply #14 on:** 20 April 2003, 07:34 »

And.... are you going to give a reason why it's not a good firewall, or just make accusations?

« previous next » Print Pages: [1] 2 Go Down Author Topic: Firewall for Windows? (Read 767 times) lazygamer Member Posts: 1,146 Kudos: 0 Firewall for Windows? « on: 18 April 2003, 01:20 » What is the best(or one of the best) freeware(or free to non-corporate customers, depending on license agreement) Wind0ze firewall? Now I'm not seriously counting on me being quite safe with Windows and a firewall, but it's a good place to learn how to use one I suppose. If I want true security(but this is less about security and more about learning) I'll turn to Linux, I know the drill. But we'll talk about Linux firewalls when I get an external DSL modem or Linux suddenly starts supporting internal DSLs. I know this is sort of Windows BBS material, but it actually skirts the rules for the MES windows forum because I'm not asking for help with X Windows problem, nor am I asking for pirated software. Besides, WinBBS is full of losers, I respect the intelligence of those here... Logged For every hot Lesbian you see in a porno video, there is a fat, butch-like, or just downright ugly lesbian beeyotch marching in a gay pride parade, or bitching about same sex marriages. -Lazygamer on homosexuality Pantso Member Posts: 1,249 Kudos: 55 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #1 on: 18 April 2003, 01:31 » I believe that one of the best firewalls for windows is ZoneAlarm. I haven't used windows for quite a while though, since I mostly use OS X and Linux. Perhaps, others can help more. Logged Support-FreeSoftware.org mobrien_12 VIP Posts: 2,138 Kudos: 711 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #2 on: 18 April 2003, 21:59 » Tiny Personal Firewall is good too. Not as many features but it allows you better control (IMHO) over rule specification, making it a little more like linux firewalls. The old version is free for non-commercial use and is what I use. Logged In brightest day, in darkest night, no evil shall escape my sight.... Faust Member Posts: 1,223 Kudos: 0 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #3 on: 18 April 2003, 11:38 » Kerio personal firewall is good and free (note lowercase free) Norton personal firewall performs far far better at blocking portscans (tested with www.grc.com, www.pcflank.com and some scanners I downloaded) than zone alarm does. I know scanning isnt the only thing it should be good at (eg should also stop plain wrong packets) but i cant be bothered testing for other stuff (and i wouldnt know what i was doing) and if your on a dsl modem your probably mainly worried about kiddies with scanners anyway. That said the "logging" feature in norton is annoying and it is expensive. I still believe for client end windows comps its good though. However! Obviously its a win program and nothing could really secure a dam with taht many holes... wouldnt it be nice if there was some way to put a dedicated firewall on a cool OS "in between" your computer and your isp? wouldnt it be even better if the cost of the old comp for that dedicated hardware firewall was cheaper than most win firewall apps? heres the ultimate solution! smoothwall! this puppy comes with a pretty full on firewall, AND it masquerades your computers behind it AND its been hardened up for security AND you dont need to waste your desktops CPU cycles on a firewall ap AND the cost of the (not necessarily fast) computer to run it on would be no more than $50 AUS ($25 US) AND theres no need to waste desktop box hdd space or RAM on a firewall app AND with a hub you can have one firewall managing multiple comps so you dont need to mantain seperate firewalls on multiple comps at once! AND if your "interested in learning" like you said then seeing the output of iptables -L will help a lot as will reading an iptables script BUT WAIT! THERES MORE! AND its Free Software!!! (in BOTH terms!) Ah CRAP! Ignore alll the above just noticed that theyre still working on DHCP... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: sorry - AND you can wait till they add dhcp support! edit : ha ha ha! I was wrong! Smoothwall still "0WnZ j00 4r$3" 8-) [ April 18, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ] Logged Yesterday it worked Today it is not working Windows is like that -- http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/error-haiku.html KernelPanic VIP Posts: 1,878 Kudos: 222 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #4 on: 18 April 2003, 14:11 » quote: Ah CRAP! Ignore alll the above just noticed that theyre still working on DHCP... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: sorry - AND you can wait till they add dhcp support! [ April 18, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ][/QB] I dunno about that, DHCP works on my smoothwall. Maybe you're talking about beta? Logged Contains scenes of mild peril. Faust Member Posts: 1,223 Kudos: 0 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #5 on: 18 April 2003, 14:22 » Hmmm... actually re reading the page they may have been talking about having a computer in the DMZ giving a dynamic IP to a computer in the green zone... which is not a problem to us really as a desktop computer behind smoothwall really only needs to be static, smoothwall is the only one that needs the dynamic IP which is probably fine. So smoothwall is go! Provided I can somehow get a cd-rom drive into my freebie P66... which will require me getting into the BIOS... which will require me knowing the BIOS password. :rolleyes: Honestly if you giving away a good computer why the hell wouldnt you just write the BIOS password on the case??? and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was weird Logged Yesterday it worked Today it is not working Windows is like that -- http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/error-haiku.html flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #6 on: 18 April 2003, 15:54 » Install it over a network connection from another machine. Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca Refalm Administrator Posts: 5,159 Kudos: 704 Sjembek! Firewall for Windows? « Reply #7 on: 18 April 2003, 17:41 » quote: Faust: which will require me getting into the BIOS... which will require me knowing the BIOS password. :rolleyes: Honestly if you giving away a good computer why the hell wouldnt you just write the BIOS password on the case??? and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was weird You have to move a jumper to reset the BIOS. I don't which one it was, but if I see it, I will post it here... Logged Radio Knop . Faust Member Posts: 1,223 Kudos: 0 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #8 on: 19 April 2003, 04:29 » Cool ta. I'll have a look at the pheonix bios web page too, they may have given them all a global password. Logged Yesterday it worked Today it is not working Windows is like that -- http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/error-haiku.html TheQuirk VIP Posts: 2,154 Kudos: 315 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #9 on: 19 April 2003, 05:59 » quote: Originally posted by Faust: and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was weird For how long? Logged Zombie9920 Member Posts: 1,309 Kudos: 33 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #10 on: 19 April 2003, 12:36 » quote: Originally posted by Faust: and i've tried taking out the BIOS battery... didn't work which was weird Remove the battery for like 15 seconds, power on the system(with no battery), power down the system at the BIOS post screen, re-insert the battery then power on the system again. Now there should be no password(please note you will need to re-configure the BIOS to get the best performance out of the machine). You can achieve the same results if you set the CMOS jumper to clear CMOS, power on the system, power down the system, place the jumper back into the normal operation position, yada, yada. [ April 19, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ] Logged lazygamer Member Posts: 1,146 Kudos: 0 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #11 on: 19 April 2003, 20:09 » quote: However! Obviously its a win program and nothing could really secure a dam with taht many holes... wouldnt it be nice if there was some way to put a dedicated firewall on a cool OS "in between" your computer and your isp? wouldnt it be even better if the cost of the old comp for that dedicated hardware firewall was cheaper than most win firewall apps? heres the ultimate solution! smoothwall! this puppy comes with a pretty full on firewall, AND it masquerades your computers behind it AND its been hardened up for security AND you dont need to waste your desktops CPU cycles on a firewall ap AND the cost of the (not necessarily fast) computer to run it on would be no more than $50 AUS ($25 US) AND theres no need to waste desktop box hdd space or RAM on a firewall app AND with a hub you can have one firewall managing multiple comps so you dont need to mantain seperate firewalls on multiple comps at once! AND if your "interested in learning" like you said then seeing the output of iptables -L will help a lot as will reading an iptables script Wow, sounds good! I'll get something like that when I'm living on my own. How does that work anyways? Does it work better than a regular firewall because the whole OS can be devoted soley to firewall duties? I'd assume that a firewall must cut down on how often it can scan stuff or it would slow the shit out of a system. I am on DSL, so kiddies are my biggest concern. Logged For every hot Lesbian you see in a porno video, there is a fat, butch-like, or just downright ugly lesbian beeyotch marching in a gay pride parade, or bitching about same sex marriages. -Lazygamer on homosexuality HPC GUY Member Posts: 275 Kudos: 101 Firewall for Windows? « Reply #12 on: 20 April 2003, 01:20 » www.sygate.com free for non corporate customers great if u ask me. it detected and stopped a D0s attack from fucking up my cpu. 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