Author Topic: Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing (Read 2494 times)

billy_gates · « **on:** 20 May 2003, 18:40 »

Do you consider downloading music off the net or with apps such as Kazzaa to be "Sharing" or "Stealing."

I consider it Stealing.

KernelPanic · « **Reply #1 on:** 20 May 2003, 19:03 »

Since I don't want any RIAA trash I can call it stealing.

Laukev7 · « **Reply #2 on:** 20 May 2003, 19:15 »

Stealing. There is no ssuch thing as "sharing" music.

flap · « **Reply #3 on:** 20 May 2003, 19:19 »

Stealing: "To take (the property of another) without right or permission"

Since no *property* has been *taken*, it's ridiculous that you call it "stealing". Even if you believe it's unethical to copy without permission, to call it "stealing" is to use a faulty analogy. So to summarise, your question really is "Do you think it's wrong to share?"

HibbeeBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** 20 May 2003, 21:41 »

It's a grey area but I lean towards the "stealing" because it's not really sharing if you duplicate and the item in question is copyright protected. I find it interesting though how far this "stealing/sharing" concept can go.

HibbeeBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** 20 May 2003, 21:47 »

quote:
Originally posted by Laukev:
Stealing. There is no ssuch thing as "sharing" music.

I think there is, if you buy a CD and lend it to someone you could call that sharing. If you invite a friend to listen to the CD that could be termed sharing. Maybe that's where these nuts are going, "Only one person at a time may listen to this recording !!!"

flap · « **Reply #6 on:** 20 May 2003, 22:04 »

quote:
it's not really sharing if you duplicate and the item in question is copyright protected.

How does that make it "not sharing"? That may make it illegal, but it doesn't mean it's "stealing". Even if you don't agree with it, you can't just apply random propaganda terms to make it sound worse than it is. You may as well call it "rape" or "genocide".

Refalm · « **Reply #7 on:** 20 May 2003, 22:05 »

Trading.

In some countries, it's legal to give a copy of music to someone if that someone gives a copy in return. I think, this is exactly what P2P programs do.

HibbeeBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** 20 May 2003, 22:24 »

quote:
Originally posted by flap:

How does that make it "not sharing"? That may make it illegal, but it doesn't mean it's "stealing". Even if you don't agree with it, you can't just apply random propaganda terms to make it sound worse than it is. You may as well call it "rape" or "genocide".

It is a grey area but if the recording is copyright protected, then that is just what it says, you may not copy the recording and distribute it under the guise of "sharing". So under these conditions, I would call it stealing.

flap · « **Reply #9 on:** 20 May 2003, 22:26 »

Yes, I know it's *illegal*, and you may even (wrongly) believe that it's unethical, but that doesn't mean it can be called stealing.

suselinux · « **Reply #10 on:** 20 May 2003, 22:26 »

I am going to send you all ear plugs so that you can't hear my stereo. I don't want to get you in trouble for stealing.

HibbeeBoy · « **Reply #11 on:** 20 May 2003, 22:39 »

quote:
Originally posted by flap:
Yes, I know it's *illegal*, and you may even (wrongly) believe that it's unethical, but that doesn't mean it can be called stealing.

By your own definition (Stealing: "To take (the property of another) without right or permission ") I think it could be termed stealing. The owner of the property remains the recording artist and there are terms attached to the sale of his/her work.
I do see what you are getting at but at the same time I don't agree that duplicating and distributing (free or otherwise) an artists work is "sharing".

flap · « **Reply #12 on:** 20 May 2003, 22:51 »

It's not their property - it's a series of 1s and 0s. They may have designed that series of data but they don't "own" every copy and even every rendition of it. If I play a copyrighted CD and someone listens to it outside my window (without themselves paying for it), are they stealing?

And whether you agree with it or not, it *is* sharing.

HibbeeBoy · « **Reply #13 on:** 20 May 2003, 23:02 »

quote:
Originally posted by flap:
It's not their property - it's a series of 1s and 0s. They may have designed that series of data but they don't "own" every copy and even every rendition of it. If I play a copyrighted CD and someone listens to it outside my window (without themselves paying for it), are they stealing?

And whether you agree with it or not, it *is* sharing.

It's not artists property ? Because YOU say so ? I think the recoding artist would disagree, not all but most commercial artists.

You may take ownership of the media the recording is physically on, but you do not have ownership or the right to copy and distribute the recording (or whatever)so once you cross that line, then you are no longer sharing, you are possibly stealing.

As for you analogy for someone listening outside your window, don't be absurd. However, if you play that recording at a club or something, then someone is going to want to get paid.

flap · « **Reply #14 on:** 20 May 2003, 23:19 »

quote:
As for you analogy for someone listening outside your window, don't be absurd. However, if you play that recording at a club or something, then someone is going to want to get paid.

How can you see the absurdity of one thing but not the other?

« previous next » Print Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 11 Go Down Author Topic: Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing (Read 2494 times) billy_gates Member Posts: 801 Kudos: 0 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « on: 20 May 2003, 18:40 » Do you consider downloading music off the net or with apps such as Kazzaa to be "Sharing" or "Stealing." I consider it Stealing. Logged Tired of the MES? Take A Visit To My Site KernelPanic VIP Posts: 1,878 Kudos: 222 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #1 on: 20 May 2003, 19:03 » Since I don't want any RIAA trash I can call it stealing. Logged Contains scenes of mild peril. Laukev7 VIP Posts: 2,828 Kudos: 494 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #2 on: 20 May 2003, 19:15 » Stealing. There is no ssuch thing as "sharing" music. Logged flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #3 on: 20 May 2003, 19:19 » Stealing: "To take (the property of another) without right or permission" Since no property has been taken, it's ridiculous that you call it "stealing". Even if you believe it's unethical to copy without permission, to call it "stealing" is to use a faulty analogy. So to summarise, your question really is "Do you think it's wrong to share?" Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca HibbeeBoy Member Posts: 246 Kudos: 0 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #4 on: 20 May 2003, 21:41 » It's a grey area but I lean towards the "stealing" because it's not really sharing if you duplicate and the item in question is copyright protected. I find it interesting though how far this "stealing/sharing" concept can go. Logged Democracy, it's like three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. HibbeeBoy Member Posts: 246 Kudos: 0 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #5 on: 20 May 2003, 21:47 » quote: Originally posted by Laukev: Stealing. There is no ssuch thing as "sharing" music. I think there is, if you buy a CD and lend it to someone you could call that sharing. If you invite a friend to listen to the CD that could be termed sharing. Maybe that's where these nuts are going, "Only one person at a time may listen to this recording !!!" Logged Democracy, it's like three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #6 on: 20 May 2003, 22:04 » quote: it's not really sharing if you duplicate and the item in question is copyright protected. How does that make it "not sharing"? That may make it illegal, but it doesn't mean it's "stealing". Even if you don't agree with it, you can't just apply random propaganda terms to make it sound worse than it is. You may as well call it "rape" or "genocide". Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca Refalm Administrator Posts: 5,163 Kudos: 704 Sjembek! Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #7 on: 20 May 2003, 22:05 » Trading. In some countries, it's legal to give a copy of music to someone if that someone gives a copy in return. I think, this is exactly what P2P programs do. Logged Radio Knop . HibbeeBoy Member Posts: 246 Kudos: 0 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #8 on: 20 May 2003, 22:24 » quote: Originally posted by flap: How does that make it "not sharing"? That may make it illegal, but it doesn't mean it's "stealing". Even if you don't agree with it, you can't just apply random propaganda terms to make it sound worse than it is. You may as well call it "rape" or "genocide". It is a grey area but if the recording is copyright protected, then that is just what it says, you may not copy the recording and distribute it under the guise of "sharing". So under these conditions, I would call it stealing. Logged Democracy, it's like three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #9 on: 20 May 2003, 22:26 » Yes, I know it's illegal, and you may even (wrongly) believe that it's unethical, but that doesn't mean it can be called stealing. Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca suselinux Member Posts: 711 Kudos: 30 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #10 on: 20 May 2003, 22:26 » I am going to send you all ear plugs so that you can't hear my stereo. I don't want to get you in trouble for stealing. Logged HibbeeBoy Member Posts: 246 Kudos: 0 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #11 on: 20 May 2003, 22:39 » quote: Originally posted by flap: *Yes, I know it's illegal, and you may even (wrongly) believe that it's unethical, but that doesn't mean it can be called stealing.* By your own definition (Stealing: "To take (the property of another) without right or permission ") I think it could be termed stealing. The owner of the property remains the recording artist and there are terms attached to the sale of his/her work. I do see what you are getting at but at the same time I don't agree that duplicating and distributing (free or otherwise) an artists work is "sharing". Logged Democracy, it's like three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #12 on: 20 May 2003, 22:51 » It's not their property - it's a series of 1s and 0s. They may have designed that series of data but they don't "own" every copy and even every rendition of it. If I play a copyrighted CD and someone listens to it outside my window (without themselves paying for it), are they stealing? And whether you agree with it or not, it is sharing. Logged "While envisaging the destruction of imperialism, it is necessary to identify its head, which is none other than the United States of America." - Ernesto Che Guevara http://counterpunch.org http://globalresearch.ca HibbeeBoy Member Posts: 246 Kudos: 0 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #13 on: 20 May 2003, 23:02 » quote: Originally posted by flap: It's not their property - it's a series of 1s and 0s. They may have designed that series of data but they don't "own" every copy and even every rendition of it. If I play a copyrighted CD and someone listens to it outside my window (without themselves paying for it), are they stealing? And whether you agree with it or not, it is sharing. It's not artists property ? Because YOU say so ? I think the recoding artist would disagree, not all but most commercial artists. You may take ownership of the media the recording is physically on, but you do not have ownership or the right to copy and distribute the recording (or whatever)so once you cross that line, then you are no longer sharing, you are possibly stealing. As for you analogy for someone listening outside your window, don't be absurd. However, if you play that recording at a club or something, then someone is going to want to get paid. Logged Democracy, it's like three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. flap Member Posts: 1,268 Kudos: 137 Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing « Reply #14 on: 20 May 2003, 23:19 » quote: As for you analogy for someone listening outside your window, don't be absurd. However, if you play that recording at a club or something, then someone is going to want to get paid. How can you see the absurdity of one thing but not the other? 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