Author Topic: Y0 wheres it hanging? (Read 897 times)

Orethrius · « **Reply #15 on:** 8 July 2005, 05:38 »

Quote from: WMD

Apache isn't under the GPL either.

Bah, my mistake, that'd be ASL. Oh well, I can safely say I'm using something that liberally uses the GPL now!

toadlife · « **Reply #16 on:** 8 July 2005, 12:02 »

The reason I think the GPL is wrong in this case is adoption. In order for something like this to be succefull, it needs to be widely adopted. Xorg is now the defacto X standard and it has a license that is more free/developer friendly than Y-Windows.

toadlife · « **Reply #17 on:** 8 July 2005, 12:10 »

Quote from: piratePenguin

So you have a problem with the GPL then?
Oh wait, we've gone over this before.

No I don't.

Quote from: piratePenguin

In the future, anything and everything I write (as in programming stuff) in my own time, will almost definetly be GPLed (assuming it's my choice). Even libraries, so if some non-free feckor wants to link with my libraries, they may switch to a free-software licence or gtfo.

You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail.

bedouin · « **Reply #18 on:** 8 July 2005, 18:55 »

Looks like Ubuntu is going to have a bit of help.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation

$10 Million help.

Good news.

piratePenguin · « **Reply #19 on:** 8 July 2005, 19:53 »

Quote from: toadlife

You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail.

In which case, let it fail!

You do know that it's partly LGPL?

toadlife · « **Reply #20 on:** 8 July 2005, 23:25 »

Quote from: piratePenguin

In which case, let it fail!

You do know that it's partly LGPL?

Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver support. If not, Y is already dead.

Refalm · « **Reply #21 on:** 8 July 2005, 23:28 »

Kintaro, I've had the same problem. I refrained from using Nautilus in KDE a long time ago, but I remember there was something like

Code: [Select]

nautilus --no-desktop

that prevents that awful Gnome interface from loading in that beautiful KDE desktop.

piratePenguin · « **Reply #22 on:** 8 July 2005, 23:32 »

Quote from: toadlife

Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver support. If not, Y is already dead.

All NVIDIA gotta do, is release their drivers under the GPL.
Sorted.

WMD · « **Reply #23 on:** 8 July 2005, 23:58 »

I don't think they have to do even that...

piratePenguin · « **Reply #24 on:** 9 July 2005, 00:14 »

Quote from: WMD

I don't think they have to do even that...

Well, there is another way, aparantly:

Quote from: http://www.y-windows.org/pipermail/y-devel/2004-March/001041.html

If they make drivers that link with the Y server, they must release them
under the GPL or not at all (score one for those of us running GNU/Linux
on anything other than x86, and another for us GPL "nuts" ). If they
free their drivers, I would gladly volunteer to write a graphical
installer if only because I would be in such a good mood.

If, on the other hand, they link with the client, (I'm sorry to say I
don't yet know enough about how Y works either to know which case would
apply) they will be able to release the drivers as .o files.

I'm glad the Y server is GPL, it'll make it at least a small bit tougher for the video card manufacturers release non-free video drivers.
I'm fecking sick of non-free video drivers. Neither ATi or Nvidia have free (as in freedom, as usual) drivers, and at that, I can't play any half modern 3d games.

Anyone know which other video card manufacturers release free drivers? I know 3dfx used to (they were at least open-source, not sure if they qualify as free software (by GNUs definition)).

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Logged toadlife Member Posts: 730 Kudos: 376 Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #17 on: 8 July 2005, 12:10 » Quote from: piratePenguin So you have a problem with the GPL then? Oh wait, we've gone over this before. No I don't. Quote from: piratePenguin In the future, anything and everything I write (as in programming stuff) in my own time, will almost definetly be GPLed (assuming it's my choice). Even libraries, so if some non-free feckor wants to link with my libraries, they may switch to a free-software licence or gtfo. You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail. Logged bedouin VIP Posts: 628 Kudos: 443 Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #18 on: 8 July 2005, 18:55 » Looks like Ubuntu is going to have a bit of help. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuFoundation $10 Million help. Good news. Logged piratePenguin VIP Posts: 3,025 Kudos: 775 Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #19 on: 8 July 2005, 19:53 » Quote from: toadlife You've just outlined the exact reason why Y-Windows will fail. In which case, let it fail! You do know that it's partly LGPL? Logged "What you share with the world is what it keeps of you." - Noah And The Whale: Give a little love a poem by my computer, Macintosh Vigilante Macintosh amends a damned around the requested typewriter. Macintosh urges a scarce design. Macintosh postulates an autobiography. Macintosh tolls the solo variant. Why does a winter audience delay macintosh? The maker tosses macintosh. Beneath female suffers a double scum. How will a rat cube the heavier cricket? Macintosh calls a method. Can macintosh nest opposite the headache? Macintosh ties the wrong fairy. When can macintosh stem the land gang? Female aborts underneath macintosh. Inside macintosh waffles female. Next to macintosh worries a well. toadlife Member Posts: 730 Kudos: 376 Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #20 on: 8 July 2005, 23:25 » Quote from: piratePenguin In which case, let it fail! You do know that it's partly LGPL? Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver support. If not, Y is already dead. Logged Refalm Administrator Posts: 5,163 Kudos: 704 Sjembek! Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #21 on: 8 July 2005, 23:28 » Kintaro, I've had the same problem. I refrained from using Nautilus in KDE a long time ago, but I remember there was something like Code: [Select] `nautilus --no-desktop` that prevents that awful Gnome interface from loading in that beautiful KDE desktop. Logged Radio Knop . piratePenguin VIP Posts: 3,025 Kudos: 775 Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #22 on: 8 July 2005, 23:32 » Quote from: toadlife Yeah. Hopefully, that will allow for commercial video driver support. If not, Y is already dead. All NVIDIA gotta do, is release their drivers under the GPL. Sorted. Logged "What you share with the world is what it keeps of you." - Noah And The Whale: Give a little love a poem by my computer, Macintosh Vigilante Macintosh amends a damned around the requested typewriter. Macintosh urges a scarce design. Macintosh postulates an autobiography. Macintosh tolls the solo variant. Why does a winter audience delay macintosh? The maker tosses macintosh. Beneath female suffers a double scum. How will a rat cube the heavier cricket? Macintosh calls a method. Can macintosh nest opposite the headache? Macintosh ties the wrong fairy. When can macintosh stem the land gang? Female aborts underneath macintosh. Inside macintosh waffles female. Next to macintosh worries a well. WMD Global Moderator Posts: 2,525 Kudos: 391 Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #23 on: 8 July 2005, 23:58 » I don't think they have to do even that... Logged My BSOD gallery "Yes there's nothing wrong with going around being rude and selfish, killing people and fucking married women, but being childish is a cardinal sin around these parts." -Aloone_Jonez piratePenguin VIP Posts: 3,025 Kudos: 775 Re: Y0 wheres it hanging? « Reply #24 on: 9 July 2005, 00:14 » Quote from: WMD I don't think they have to do even that... Well, there is another way, aparantly: Quote from: http://www.y-windows.org/pipermail/y-devel/2004-March/001041.html If they make drivers that link with the Y server, they must release them under the GPL or not at all (score one for those of us running GNU/Linux on anything other than x86, and another for us GPL "nuts" ). If they free their drivers, I would gladly volunteer to write a graphical installer if only because I would be in such a good mood. If, on the other hand, they link with the client, (I'm sorry to say I don't yet know enough about how Y works either to know which case would apply) they will be able to release the drivers as .o files. I'm glad the Y server is GPL, it'll make it at least a small bit tougher for the video card manufacturers release non-free video drivers. I'm fecking sick of non-free video drivers. Neither ATi or Nvidia have free (as in freedom, as usual) drivers, and at that, I can't play any half modern 3d games. Anyone know which other video card manufacturers release free drivers? I know 3dfx used to (they were at least open-source, not sure if they qualify as free software (by GNUs definition)). Logged "What you share with the world is what it keeps of you." - Noah And The Whale: Give a little love a poem by my computer, Macintosh Vigilante Macintosh amends a damned around the requested typewriter. Macintosh urges a scarce design. Macintosh postulates an autobiography. 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