Author Topic: Learning programming-where to start (Read 1314 times)

dmcfarland · « **on:** 25 November 2005, 21:16 »

Happy thanksgiving all. I want to learn how to program. I dont know a thing. Ive only had experience with modifying batch, config.sys, ini and some registry keys. Other than that I dont know a thing about programming or writing code. I am primarily a hardware guy, a little networking, software and ms software, and so on.

Where do I get started? How do I crawl first so I can walk and later on run. What do I start out with? Is it something like HTML, or perl?

Whats the best course for a programming newbie thats pretty much starting from scratch?

Thanks :thumbup:

TheQuirk · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 November 2005, 21:51 »

Anything you want, really. Just buy a book from your local book store and start going through it. Once you're done, start working on more interesting things.

Personally, I would recommend Python. It's free and popular, and the website has a guide which will teach you all the basics.

H_TeXMeX_H · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 November 2005, 21:57 »

Yup, python is probably the best language to start with ... and they have tutorials for non-programmers :thumbup:

worker201 · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 November 2005, 23:23 »

ESR also recommends Python, but as a second language. First is HTML - if you can't make a web page using vi, then you aren't ready to program. Personally, I kinda like JavaScript, because it is so useful, and it is an interpreted language, so you can just open your browser to test your programs.

dmcfarland · « **Reply #4 on:** 25 November 2005, 23:45 »

Isnt htlm a markup langauge? I hate VI. I would rather use emacs or write it up in Open Office, save as text and insert the html tags afterwords.

HTML is a lot of memorization.

cymon · « **Reply #5 on:** 25 November 2005, 23:48 »

Everything is a lot of memorization. You can't just open up gcc and type whatever the hell you want. You memorize the functions, objects, and you learn how to use them.

You can get some free programming ebooks on Java and C++ from mindview.net

solemnwarning · « **Reply #6 on:** 26 November 2005, 00:04 »

Code: [Select]

#!/usr/bin/perl

print("Perl pwns all non-compiled languages! :D\n");

Pathos · « **Reply #7 on:** 26 November 2005, 01:13 »

There is only one programming language: C++

Don't bother with HTML, thats not a imperative.

beaver, kate, kedit, gedit are all reasonable code editors.

get MinGWStudio once the bandwidth exceeded error goes away, its the most beautiful IDE ever.

http://www.parinyasoft.com/mingwstudio.html

There are plenty of free C++ resources but there are a lot of tricks to learn.

muzzy · « **Reply #8 on:** 26 November 2005, 02:53 »

The government of Muzzylandia cannot recommend C++ to a complete newbie. It has way too many newbie traps and problems, and its abstractions tend to leak to machine level in every implementation of it so you need to understand a lot more than just the programming language when your program doesn't work and you need to fix it.

Python is fine, even though I find the indentation issue to be unholy.

solemnwarning · « **Reply #9 on:** 26 November 2005, 02:54 »

Quote from: muzzy

The government of Muzzylandia cannot recommend C++ to a complete newbie. It has way too many newbie traps and problems, and its abstractions tend to leak to machine level in every implementation of it so you need to understand a lot more than just the programming language when your program doesn't work and you need to fix it.

Python is fine, even though I find the indentation issue to be unholy.

perl

Pathos · « **Reply #10 on:** 26 November 2005, 14:14 »

Quote from: muzzy

The government of Muzzylandia cannot recommend C++ to a complete newbie. It has way too many newbie traps and problems, and its abstractions tend to leak to machine level in every implementation of it so you need to understand a lot more than just the programming language when your program doesn't work and you need to fix it.

Python is fine, even though I find the indentation issue to be unholy.

only one way to learn...

but actually I think java is the best to learn with. I just can't recommend any IDEs worth using...

Aloone_Jonez · « **Reply #11 on:** 26 November 2005, 14:52 »

Visual Basic and Qbasic's are good newb languages.

Oh sorry they're M$ so I must recommend FreeBASIC.

Orethrius · « **Reply #12 on:** 27 November 2005, 04:09 »

Quote from: Aloone_Jonez

Visual Basic and Qbasic's are good newb languages.

Oh sorry they're M$ so I must recommend FreeBASIC.

It would seem you're not quite as convicted as your signature belies.

Visual Basic has horrendous loadtimes, and Q is all but gone - find an interpreter. Go ahead, we'll wait. Now for the rest of us that want to get with a REAL programming language instead of a "slap-together-a-script-kiddy-device-in-under-a-minute" language, head on over to pick up MinGW, GCC (you'll need Cygwin if you expect this particular GNU compiler to compile on a non-GNU system), or Bloodshed Dev-C++.

Oh, and Jonez, it seems you linked to the wrong site; FreeBASIC may be found at http://www.freebasic.net/index.php/download.

Jack2000 · « **Reply #13 on:** 27 November 2005, 04:55 »

"slap-together-a-script-kiddy-device-in-under-a-minute"
muhuahah that is the whole Microsoft ideology

Pathos · « **Reply #14 on:** 27 November 2005, 06:05 »

I LOATHE BLOOSHED DEV-C++

it is the most awful ide...

Hang on... why are you suggesting windows only ides?

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« previous next » Print Pages: [1] 2 3 Go Down Author Topic: Learning programming-where to start (Read 1314 times) dmcfarland Member Posts: 156 Kudos: 123 Learning programming-where to start « on: 25 November 2005, 21:16 » Happy thanksgiving all. I want to learn how to program. I dont know a thing. Ive only had experience with modifying batch, config.sys, ini and some registry keys. Other than that I dont know a thing about programming or writing code. I am primarily a hardware guy, a little networking, software and ms software, and so on. Where do I get started? How do I crawl first so I can walk and later on run. What do I start out with? Is it something like HTML, or perl? Whats the best course for a programming newbie thats pretty much starting from scratch? Thanks :thumbup: Logged Whip me, Beat me, Humiliate me, Mistreat me, and Windows XP me.:fu: TheQuirk VIP Posts: 2,154 Kudos: 315 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #1 on: 25 November 2005, 21:51 » Anything you want, really. Just buy a book from your local book store and start going through it. Once you're done, start working on more interesting things. Personally, I would recommend Python. It's free and popular, and the website has a guide which will teach you all the basics. Logged H_TeXMeX_H Member Posts: 1,988 Kudos: 494 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #2 on: 25 November 2005, 21:57 » Yup, python is probably the best language to start with ... and they have tutorials for non-programmers :thumbup: Logged worker201 Global Moderator Posts: 2,810 Kudos: 703 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #3 on: 25 November 2005, 23:23 » ESR also recommends Python, but as a second language. First is HTML - if you can't make a web page using vi, then you aren't ready to program. Personally, I kinda like JavaScript, because it is so useful, and it is an interpreted language, so you can just open your browser to test your programs. Logged dmcfarland Member Posts: 156 Kudos: 123 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #4 on: 25 November 2005, 23:45 » Isnt htlm a markup langauge? I hate VI. I would rather use emacs or write it up in Open Office, save as text and insert the html tags afterwords. HTML is a lot of memorization. Logged Whip me, Beat me, Humiliate me, Mistreat me, and Windows XP me.:fu: cymon Member Posts: 354 Kudos: 172 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #5 on: 25 November 2005, 23:48 » Everything is a lot of memorization. You can't just open up gcc and type whatever the hell you want. You memorize the functions, objects, and you learn how to use them. You can get some free programming ebooks on Java and C++ from mindview.net Logged solemnwarning Member Posts: 747 Kudos: 338 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #6 on: 26 November 2005, 00:04 » Code: [Select] `#!/usr/bin/perl print("Perl pwns all non-compiled languages! :D\n");` Logged -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM d- s+:+ a--- C++ UL++++>$ P+ L+++ !E W++ !N !o !K-- w !O !M !V PS+ PE- !Y !PGP !t !5 !X !R tv b+ DI+ !D G e- h !r y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Pathos Member Posts: 518 Kudos: 416 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #7 on: 26 November 2005, 01:13 » There is only one programming language: C++ Don't bother with HTML, thats not a imperative. beaver, kate, kedit, gedit are all reasonable code editors. get MinGWStudio once the bandwidth exceeded error goes away, its the most beautiful IDE ever. http://www.parinyasoft.com/mingwstudio.html There are plenty of free C++ resources but there are a lot of tricks to learn. Logged muzzy Member Posts: 391 Kudos: 409 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #8 on: 26 November 2005, 02:53 » The government of Muzzylandia cannot recommend C++ to a complete newbie. It has way too many newbie traps and problems, and its abstractions tend to leak to machine level in every implementation of it so you need to understand a lot more than just the programming language when your program doesn't work and you need to fix it. Python is fine, even though I find the indentation issue to be unholy. Logged solemnwarning Member Posts: 747 Kudos: 338 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #9 on: 26 November 2005, 02:54 » Quote from: muzzy The government of Muzzylandia cannot recommend C++ to a complete newbie. It has way too many newbie traps and problems, and its abstractions tend to leak to machine level in every implementation of it so you need to understand a lot more than just the programming language when your program doesn't work and you need to fix it. Python is fine, even though I find the indentation issue to be unholy. perl Logged -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM d- s+:+ a--- C++ UL++++>$ P+ L+++ !E W++ !N !o !K-- w !O !M !V PS+ PE- !Y !PGP !t !5 !X !R tv b+ DI+ !D G e- h !r y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ Pathos Member Posts: 518 Kudos: 416 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #10 on: 26 November 2005, 14:14 » Quote from: muzzy The government of Muzzylandia cannot recommend C++ to a complete newbie. It has way too many newbie traps and problems, and its abstractions tend to leak to machine level in every implementation of it so you need to understand a lot more than just the programming language when your program doesn't work and you need to fix it. Python is fine, even though I find the indentation issue to be unholy. only one way to learn... but actually I think java is the best to learn with. I just can't recommend any IDEs worth using... Logged Aloone_Jonez Administrator Posts: 4,083 Kudos: 954 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #11 on: 26 November 2005, 14:52 » Visual Basic and Qbasic's are good newb languages. Oh sorry they're M$ so I must recommend FreeBASIC. Logged This is not a Windows help forum, however please do feel free to sign up and agree or disagree with our views on Microsoft. Oh and FUCKMicrosoft! :fu: Orethrius Member Posts: 1,783 Kudos: 982 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #12 on: 27 November 2005, 04:09 » Quote from: Aloone_Jonez Visual Basic and Qbasic's are good newb languages. Oh sorry they're M$ so I must recommend FreeBASIC. It would seem you're not quite as convicted as your signature belies. Visual Basic has horrendous loadtimes, and Q is all but gone - find an interpreter. Go ahead, we'll wait. Now for the rest of us that want to get with a REAL programming language instead of a "slap-together-a-script-kiddy-device-in-under-a-minute" language, head on over to pick up MinGW, GCC (you'll need Cygwin if you expect this particular GNU compiler to compile on a non-GNU system), or Bloodshed Dev-C++. Oh, and Jonez, it seems you linked to the wrong site; FreeBASIC may be found at http://www.freebasic.net/index.php/download. Logged Proudly posted from a Gentoo Linux system. Quote from: Calum even if you're renting you've got more rights than if you're using windows. System Vitals Jack2000 Member Posts: 1,128 Kudos: 387 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #13 on: 27 November 2005, 04:55 » "slap-together-a-script-kiddy-device-in-under-a-minute" muhuahah that is the whole Microsoft ideology Logged Pathos Member Posts: 518 Kudos: 416 Re: Learning programming-where to start « Reply #14 on: 27 November 2005, 06:05 » I LOATHE BLOOSHED DEV-C++ it is the most awful ide... 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