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M51DPS

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« Reply #15 on: 21 June 2004, 22:23 »
quote:
Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
Now would you have EVERY other computer company do this.

Apple(who has a VERY VERY VERY large patent portfolio)
IBM(Patent thing, strong legal team, has sued many smaller compnies out of existence)
Novell(VERY VERY secretive of the NetWare source code, hance an extreme lack of drivers and security holes, said to be more secure than even OpenBSD)
and EVERY other computer company.

and two of those three were convicted of anti-trust charges.


It's hard to say that, because I really like Apple, but it needs to happen. If we just declare all patents public domain, and get rid of the crappy system, things will get a lot better. Let's see it happen.
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« Reply #16 on: 21 June 2004, 23:00 »
No.
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« Reply #17 on: 22 June 2004, 05:51 »
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Novell(VERY VERY secretive of the NetWare source code, hance an extreme lack of drivers and security holes, said to be more secure than even OpenBSD)



Yep, its said to be secure than OpenBSD.   However OpenBSD IS secure than Netware or any other computer company out there and not just by what was 'said.'

Only one remote hole in the default install, in more than 8 years!

www.openbsd.org::

http://www.insecure.org/sploits/netware.perl.nlm.html
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22remote+exploits%22+%22novell+netware%22&btnG=Search&meta=


http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22remote+exploits%22+%22openbsd+3.5%22&btnG=Search&meta=

  :D
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« Reply #18 on: 22 June 2004, 06:43 »
http://developer.novell.com/research/appnotes/2000/june/03/a0006032.htm#1033269


notice how OLD the sploits you poated are?

Netware is up to 6.5 and you're posting venerabilities for 4.1?

thats like calling XP insecure over C:\con\con

both equally as old.

by the way:
http://www.guninski.com/obsdmtu.html
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« Reply #19 on: 22 June 2004, 21:16 »
quote:
Originally posted by Sauron: Troll Warrior:
http://developer.novell.com/research/appnotes/2000/june/03/a0006032.htm#1033269


notice how OLD the sploits you poated are?

Netware is up to 6.5 and you're posting venerabilities for 4.1?


Yea, sorry about that.  I guess I should of checked the version.

 
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thats like calling XP insecure over C:\con\con


Well, yea XP is insecure over C:\con\con.  
both equally as old.

 
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by the way:
http://www.guninski.com/obsdmtu.html


And here is the patch:

ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/3.4/common/011_ip6.patch

http://openbsd.org/errata34.html

Fixed in 2004!  Not years later.

Novell Netware 6.5::

 
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04.15.36 CVE: Not Available
Platform: Novell
Title: Novell Plaintext Information Storage Weakness
Description: Using Console One, DsBrowse, iMonitor and iManager the
value of the "nsimhint" attribute of a user object can be seen in
clear text. An attacker with sufficient privileges to view the
affected user object attribute may access some sensitive information.
Novell NetWare 6.5 and Nsure Identity Manager 2.0 are known to be
vulnerable.
Ref: http://search.novell.com/NSearch/HighlightServlet?&query=10092410&index=Support&bbindex=BestBets&numhits=20_=&theme=support&encoding=UTF
8&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupport.novell.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsearch%2Fsearchtid.cgi%3F%2F10092410.htm



http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Novell+Netware+6.5%22+%2B%22exploits%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&start=10&sa=N

I find both novell and openbsd VERY good OS'es and both as extreamly secure.  The difference between these OS'es and Microsoft is the fact that M$ knows jack about OS'es and lots about PR and advertising.  

Well, even though PR and adds can be flashy and entertaining.  It isn't goingto do much good when someone needs a good OS.
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« Reply #20 on: 23 June 2004, 22:02 »
What MS should do right is write decent software.

Everything I have replaced with non-MS products is better.

MS is the triumph of marketing over quality.
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« Reply #21 on: 24 June 2004, 00:29 »
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Originally posted by zolo:
What MS should do right is write decent software.

Everything I have replaced with non-MS products is better.

MS is the triumph of marketing over quality.


Yea, well said.  They can't write software for shit but they can sell ice cubes to the Esquimos
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« Reply #22 on: 26 June 2004, 21:54 »
Make their current OSes more friendly with Macs on the network.

Narrow (un-diversify) their markets... stop trying to do everything at once.

Stop pushing the Windows Media standard.

Make Windows Media Player suck less.

Fix the gaping security holes sprinkled throughout their OS.

Worry less about marketing, piracy, EULAs, and all that other bullshit and spend more time making a decent product.

Feed Ballmer to Petunia the Customer Service Squid.
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« Reply #23 on: 26 June 2004, 22:33 »
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Originally posted by Claris:
Feed Ballmer to Petunia the Customer Service Squid.


I thought her name was Butch, not Petunia (because with a name like Butch, you know that's one hard-assed squid).  I still say Ballmer, Himmler, can't be a coincidence.

Okay, in keeping with the topic, I would have to say that Microsoft could make their products open source; and maybe, just maybe, stop suing the hell out of anyone who finds security holes.  Maybe they could actually listen to them instead of waiting for their own techs to reinvent the wheel.  I don't see how this isn't "within reason" for them to do; it's just not within the realm of what they want to do.  That doesn't invalidate the argument.
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« Reply #24 on: 27 June 2004, 01:09 »
Installer / Uninstaller...thems gewd.

Dominate a market and saturate it with a mediocre product and buy everyone out so your mediocrity will be made the standard.
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« Reply #25 on: 27 June 2004, 20:01 »
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Originally posted by Claris:

Stop pushing the Windows Media standard.


There's nothing standardized about Windows Media products except that they all suck.

I'm convinced that M$ will never make proper software. Maybe it could, maybe not. The sole reason they have become so big in the past 20 years is their skill to sell garbage to people and then make them buy it over and over again. If Windows actually worked, people wouldn't "upgrade" it. They have managed to keep this business model up by buying out all their competitors. Now that Linux is becoming popular, they have to add more "innovative" shit into their OS. Look at Winblowsche XP: It's filled with idiotic crap such as automatic desktop customization, shrinking out all the "unnecessary" (necessary) options in menu bars etc. Then you need a guide to find out how to disable these "features".
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« Reply #26 on: 27 June 2004, 21:17 »
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Originally posted by Shiver:


There's nothing standardized about Windows Media products except that they all suck.

I'm convinced that M$ will never make proper software. Maybe it could, maybe not. The sole reason they have become so big in the past 20 years is their skill to sell garbage to people and then make them buy it over and over again. If Windows actually worked, people wouldn't "upgrade" it. They have managed to keep this business model up by buying out all their competitors. Now that Linux is becoming popular, they have to add more "innovative" shit into their OS. Look at Winblowsche XP: It's filled with idiotic crap such as automatic desktop customization, shrinking out all the "unnecessary" (necessary) options in menu bars etc. Then you need a guide to find out how to disable these "features".


Shiver, I couldn't have said it better myself.
     I think that sums it up nicely.  I expecialy feel that way with both XP and 2k3.  Their just idiotic OS'es!
 
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