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How Apple+Mac is better than Windows+Intel
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
BTW, the Windows being pre-installed wouldn't be a big issue for me even if I did buy an OEM computer because I feel Windows is just the best system to be running right now(I install Windows on systems I build for a living as well as systems I build for myself).
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That's fine.... for you. I should not be forced to pay for a Windows license when I will not use it. What's so hard about offering a system with no OS?
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All PC games are made to run in Windows, almost every *popular* graphical, office, video editing, etc. app runs in Windows(Photoshop, Maya, AutoCAD, Microsoft Office, etc.). With Linux you have to rely on Open Source knock offs of the popular apps that try thier best to support the formats of the popular apps but always fall short. With Linux you have to rely on stuff like Wine to play alot of the popular games(Wine does not run most Win32 stuff flawlessly though).
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Again, that's fine.... for you. I don't use Windows apps, I don't use Wine (Wine sucks, and not just because it's purpose is to run Windows apps). And I'm perfectly happy rely on those open source apps. I have been for years. I find them to work better and are more reliable than the apps you mention.
quote:Another reason why alot of OEMs do not choose to use Linux as an OS to pre-install on consumer computers is because Linux is too difficult for most consumers.
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I'm not asking for Linux preinstalled. In fact I would rather get the PC in a "naked" state because chances are the OS would not be installed the way I want it installed anyway (or not be the flavor of Linux I like). Again, what's so hard about offering a naked PC? It would certainly be easier on the manufacturer as they wouldn't have to deal with all that Microsoft red tape. That is, except for one thing. If they sell a naked PC Microsoft will fuck them.
hm_murdock:
okay, you've got me convinced, then.
the benchmarks you link to are different from the ones I saw.
you've also finally made me decide that all x86 processors suck ass. If the P4 really is the best they have to offer, then fuck 'em all.
as for prices, that's based on local retailers' average prices, and on non-bleeding edge units.
AMD sucks, just not as much as Intel. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Besides, the issue is x86 vs PPC, not x86 vs x86.
PPC makes anything x86 look like a turd.
Zombie9920:
If you want a naked PC then buy a barebones system and add a hard drive, CD-ROM, Floppy and Ram.
Barebone systems aren't hard to find. ;P
Zombie9920:
quote:Originally posted by The Jimmy James / Bob:
okay, you've got me convinced, then.
the benchmarks you link to are different from the ones I saw.
you've also finally made me decide that all x86 processors suck ass. If the P4 really is the best they have to offer, then fuck 'em all.
as for prices, that's based on local retailers' average prices, and on non-bleeding edge units.
AMD sucks, just not as much as Intel. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Besides, the issue is x86 vs PPC, not x86 vs x86.
PPC makes anything x86 look like a turd.
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You missed the benchmarks I posted a few posts back showing a single x86 CPU system(2.53ghz P4 Northwood) and a dual x86 CPU system(dual Athlon MP 2000+) wipe the floor with a dual 1ghz G4 system. The fastest PPC CPU available today doesn't have the balls to outpace the fastest x86 offerings. Sure, PPC may do more per clock cycle, but x86 reaches higher clock speeds which equates to the slower x86 CPU at higher speeds wiping the floor with the faster PPC that is stuck and has been stuck at lower speeds for a long time now.
By time Apple can make a CPU that competes with the current P4/Athlon line of CPU's Intel will already have 5ghz+ CPU's out.
Just to save you the time of finding the posted benchmarks I mention...here you go again. http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2002/07_jul/features/cw_macvspc2.htm
Macs are not all that like some of you people try to claim it is.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by Zombie9920:
If you want a naked PC then buy a barebones system and add a hard drive, CD-ROM, Floppy and Ram.
Barebone systems aren't hard to find. ;P
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They are hard to find in a store. It's hard to find laptops barebones (although I put up a link to a nice site that sells naked laptops).
The thing is, I want a Dell Inspiron, but I refuse to pay the Microsoft tax. Dell has lost a sale but they would lose a lot more by Microsoft penal action if they sold me that naked Inspiron. I would like to be able to buy a name brand PC without an OS or software. Actually I would still probably build my own desktop machines even though the name brand machine would likely be cheaper. Just can't build a laptop.
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