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How Apple+Mac is better than Windows+Intel
voidmain:
I somewhat agree that "most people" want them, but not for the reasons you are eluding to. Most people want them because 97% of the other people already have them, other people are producing documents in formats that are proprietary. The easiest way to be compatible with others is to use what others use. But proprietary data formats is another subject.
As far as the Microtel PCs go, they don't sell a Dell Inspiron laptop. I want a new Inspiron but I can't get it without buying a copy of Windows which I will never use. In my mind, it's not right, and not fair that I can't get an Inspiron and install whatever OS I want.
xyle_one:
quote: Originally posted by Void Main
I want a new Inspiron but I can't get it without buying a copy of Windows which I will never use. In my mind, it's not right, and not fair that I can't get an Inspiron and install whatever OS I want.
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hear hear. i agree, it isnt right. i would love to be ablt to order a dell without an os, or with any os. why should we be forced to purchase an os we will never use?
Zombie9920:
quote:Originally posted by void main:
I somewhat agree that "most people" want them, but not for the reasons you are eluding to. Most people want them because 97% of the other people already have them, other people are producing documents in formats that are proprietary. The easiest way to be compatible with others is to use what others use. But proprietary data formats is another subject.
As far as the Microtel PCs go, they don't sell a Dell Inspiron laptop. I want a new Inspiron but I can't get it without buying a copy of Windows which I will never use. In my mind, it's not right, and not fair that I can't get an Inspiron and install whatever OS I want.
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Can't you get a refund on an unwanted copy of Windows if you do buy a PC with it pre-installed(providing you get a Windows CD instead of a restore CD)? I don't know much about getting a Windows refund so please enlighten me?
If no, can't you find somebody who wants XP to sell the CD too? Tell them it is still in the wrap, has never been used, doesn't have any scratches on the CD, etc. and I'm sure they would buy it.
xyle_one:
you shouldnt have to go through that kinda bullshit. i dont want to pay for windows. i dont want the cd, and i dont want to have to try and sell it to get my money back. About refunds on Windows, i understand it is near impossible to get one. i have never tried before, so i honestly dont know.
[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: xyle_one ]
Zombie9920:
quote:Originally posted by xyle_one:
you shouldnt have to go through that kinda bullshit. i dont want to pay for windows. i dont want the cd, and i dont want to have to try and sell it to get my money back. About refunds on Windows, i understand it is near impossible to get one. i have never tried before, so i honestly dont know.
[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: xyle_one ]
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I agree that you should have options to buy any OEM PC with no OS pre-installed. I really don't see how selling a naked PC would be breaching Microsoft agreements. MS doesn't want other OSes pre-installed and it would be a direct violation of Microsofts' OEM licensing agreement to sell a PC with another OS pre-installed...but I'm sure there has to be a loophole for OEMs to be able to sell a PC with NO OS at all(nothing is installed so how is that breaking the "do not install another OS agreement" in the contract?).
It seems to be a complicated issue, but I do have to whole heartidly agree that you should not be forced to buy something you don't want.
I come from the DIY world so I'm not too keen on the issues of dealing with OEM's.
(EDIT)Just to throw some fuel on the Mac vs. PC fire....can you buy a new Mac with no OS pre-installed? What if I want to buy a naked Mac to install Linux on and I don't want to pay for MacOS?(EDIT)
[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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