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voidmain:
If neither of us know Billy's true personal motives as you claim, then you have no more right to speak highly of him as a person than I have to speak lowly of him. I have to presume that he has a "small" amount of influence at M$ and that M$'s actions as a company have to be reflections of Billy's personal beliefs. He built the company, the company does nothing without his approval or direction. Nobody farts at M$ without Billy telling them to.

And "Evil Empire" is not a new word for MS, I've been using it for many years, and I certainly wasn't the first.

pkd_lives:
So here is a thought, or two.

There are companies always upgrading. So why don't they offer all those P1XX and 486, etc. with old software to school? They could buy up bankrupt stock at a fraction of the price M$ will charge for software upgrade. And Linux can still run on older machines. So you loose a little speed, hell you kill more birds with that stone, because the kids cannot, or will have a slow time, using the school comps. for games and internet.

Kids need exposure to computers and the general details of how they work, processor; hard drive; external peripherals; OS's; interfaces; apps, etc. They DO NOT need the latest killer apps, or tech. At college it's different, there you are, in theory at least, being taught about how this stuff is in the 'real world'.

Companies should be encouraged to throw off their old stuff at schools. I remember working on engineering draughting tables donated by a local company, because they were deemed too old, and worn. The schools didn't care, they were free and added to the schools options. The local business got a local school taking more notice of engineering, it's called positive feedback. Business has always fed education from it's back end, and it is a system that works. Tech areas get tech biased school leavers. This has been shown time and again in demographics across the world.

Too many companies have forgotten that schools are where their next staff come from. You want to know why your recent recruits are lame, slow, uneducated, inept at individual thought, or why there are so few of them with actual skills, it's because their world is being swallowed by big business, donating their products (not money - THEIR FUCKING PRODUCTS), and sapping their creative energies.

This is it kids, this is what the world is. WHAT say the kids ELSE is there? Nothing this is all WE have. Then whats the fucking point of ME trying, if this already exists all over the world? M$ should not be allowed to donate product. If they truly give a shit about the future education of our kids, they should donate money. Giving products is only acceptable at local levels, and only on older equipment. Schools need facilities, better paid staff, another computer is not going to solve the problems, but to hear M$ tell it they are saving our schools.

That's better, got it off my chest - repeat after me - MUST NOT READ M$ PROMOTIONAL LITERATURE.

Master of Reality:
you seem to be contridicting yourself?
you said that it works when companies donate their old worn products, but when it comes to M$ donating their products its a bad thing (which is true).
But if companies do through their old stuff to schools, then students will be learning on older obsolete equipment that they will never need to know about in the workplace. If i was taught using out of date information then i wouldnt be able to understand a lot of the new info that is in use today by campanies and businesses. Windows donating their products, even if they are new, will not help the students very much at all. Their products are constantly/perpetually upgrading and their last OS is always made obsolete by making the software incompatible in most places. Linux, however, does not do this at all. I believe that voidmain is using redhat 6.2 with the newest version of squid (maybe). New apps in Linux will usually work with the older products of Linux, they dont change a major component just to make the new apps incompatible with their last OS and ofrce users to upgrade. MS  forces schools to give them a big profit just by donating their products. MS give 100 computers, next year MS comes out with new OS, make old one obsolete by changing their standards and the schools thinks, "we already have windows, so we should just upgrade it". That makes MS break-even on their donation, next year the same thing happens and MS make 100% profit off their donation. My school still uses win95, and all the teachers make up excuses why it doesnt work properly, but really our school cant afford to upgrade. I think my school has upgraded about half the computers to win98, i dont know what the servers at my school are, but they go down every day.
Schools shouldn't really accept donations, unless it is money to buy products which the student might be using in the workplace(or something that will be free to upgrade, such as Linux).

Master of Reality:
its now a rave about donations

Master of Reality:

quote:Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
VoidMain, I don't know him any better than you do. I don;t truely know if it's comming from the bottom of his heart or now, it could very well not. But just because you simply cannot stand the guy, doesn't mean he's ALL evil. To you, you only know him for his evil empire called MS, nothing else.

New word for MS: Evil empire.
--- End quote ---

evil is the ability to do harm not without remorse, but despite remorse.
He doesnt feel any remorse therefore he isnt evil.... he's just cruel and soul/heartless

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