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Look what this "sophisticated win user" has to say...
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by Fibre0p:
so some 12 year old can come along and as a normal user run one of the many exploits that are all over the net and get root access in a matter of ~10 seconds. Its just so easy to crack linux. Linux has to be constantly updated too.
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First of all, most businesses have security guards and don't let 12 year olds run around. Second of all, you can only use a local sploit if you already have a user account on the machine. Still not going to get you into the servers. And why would you want to spend any time trying to find a vulnerability to exploit when you can just boot from a floppy (like Tom's boot disk) and get all you want? If you got physical access to the machine nothing is going to stop someone from gaining access no matter what OS it's running. You can gain administrator access on any 2K system very easily if you have local login access. And if they have physical access and no logon a boot disk can own any M$ box as well.
quote:btw i dont use win2k AS at home, i use it at work you Ferrous Cranus. If a company cant afford server software, they dont deserve to have a network.
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Being able to afford server software really doesn't have much to do with it. Running either is going to cost you, it's how well each one can do it's job that counts. That's why I run Linux on as many servers as I can. And it sure beats trying to keep up with M$ licensing procedures. It's nice not to have to worry if you're going to get a visit from MS Lenny and MS Guido, the Microsoft thugs, because you've overlooked some of the fine print.
sAvAgE:
good point void... However the point I was making was simply this
With an install of Win2k to secure it you need to buy 3rd party software
With a linux install (Granted there are security measures you have to take) but it can be done with the software that comes on a Linux distrubution.
Weigh the differences.....
Linux ( if you buy it has extra goodies in the distro) still comes out cheaper including man hours
Windows Nothing comes with it except some vain little toys plus an EULA that even a lawyer would have a hard time understanding.
In this case as I said above about the Money you would have to shell out to make it secure and that is not 100%
That is all I was getting at
voidmain:
Oh don't get me wrong, I totally agree about the cost and the value of Linux coming way out on top. I just don't think it is a huge factor in a lot of businesses. IT Managers somehow feel more important the more money they spend and the larger budgets they have.
Having said that, there are a lot of businesses that don't have huge budgets. In either case Linux is still the best choice in a lot of cases because for one it is better in many ways, and for two you can purchase more hardware or give your employees a raise with the money you save by going Linux.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the initial cost of say Windows XP, Office XP, Visual Studio.NET, the CALs for Exchange, SQL Server for 1000 desktops vs the $0 you have to dole out for Linux, OpenOffice.org, Ximian Evolution connecting to an IMAP server, PostgreSQL, and the boatloads of development software.
Hell, even if your stuck with Windows and just can't swing the wholesale change to Linux (yet) just switching from Office XP to OpenOffice should get you giant pay raise.
Fibre0p:
im not talking about physical access you fuck, remote exploits are everywhere. you can exploit ftp daemons, apache, hell even openssh itself. Oh and btw i compiled gentoo linux today and decided to try www.linux.org with "lynx" still no go.
Fibre0p:
I am beginning to think my ISP has blocked linux.org for some unknown reason.
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