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Windows is easier to install than Linux
hm_murdock:
I don't know either.
why is it that so many people DO IN FACT have the same impressions of Linux? difficult to install, hard to install new apps, impossible to find useful support ,et cetera?
are all of these people hallucinating? no. they aren't.
the issues are real. deal with them now before they forever kill Linux's chances on the desktop.
a few people are doing what they can!
http://calix.calyptos.com is a good example. It's Linux, but you won't find /usr, or /lib or any of that. You won't find apt-get or RPM. Instead, there's folders like /Software and /System, and apps are in bundles that are drag-and-drop, just like NeXTStep and Mac OS X. All of this with KDE.
Now it's time for all of the Linux and OSS movement to embrace these ideas, for they are the future. Embrace the ideas of NO MORE FUCKING UNIX. UNIX, while a firm foundation, is something that deserves to be left "behind the curtain". It should be dragged OUT of the light and thrust into the depths where it belongs. UNIX is ugly. UNIX is arcane, and ancient. It needs to do what it does best. Be the plumbing, and let something else interact with the user.
Linux tries so hard to be a UNIX clone that it makes it hard on the user. And developers try as hard as they can to NOT cover up the ass ugly UNIX mess. Instead, they simply put a candy coating over it. There isn't even a half-hearted attempt to make it friendly. And in the end, it ends up being a condescending, intimidating mess.
Ask users who've tried it, looking for an alternative to Windows, and have decided to simply go back to it because it wasn't worth it to them to have to do everything through the MOST COMPLEX WAYS IMAGINABLE.
Now the argument is over. I'm right, you're wrong.
jtpenrod:
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why is it that so many people DO IN FACT have the same impressions of Linux? difficult to install, hard to install new apps, impossible to find useful support ,et cetera?
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Unfortunately, first impressions are lasting impressions. There once was a time when all of that was quite true. "Ask users who've tried it, looking for an alternative to Windows, and have decided to simply go back to it because it wasn't worth it to them to have to do everything through the MOST COMPLEX WAYS IMAGINABLE." And those users will tell everyone all about it. What they fail to consider is that progress moves onward. Just because they had a hard time with something like Red Hat 5.0, doesn't mean that they'd have the same problems today. Either that, or these n00bs tried something like Slackware, Debian or Gentoo, none of which are "newbie" distros, nor do they present themselves as such.
Secondly, we've seen a campaign of FUD going on for nearly five years now. Sling enough 5h17 against the wall, and some of it is bound to stick. These days, newbie-friendly distros such as Mandrake are really NBD to install. There's no need to do any editing of any config files. ELX is even easier. The ELX installer kicks off with an X Server, includes hyperlinked help, and installs quite easily. The only OS that has an easier install is QNX.
As for installing apps, both Debian and Gentoo make this quite easy:
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Anyone who can'r comprehend that has no business using a computer anyway.
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It's Linux, but you won't find /usr, or /lib or any of that. You won't find apt-get or RPM. Instead, there's folders like /Software and /System, and apps are in bundles that are drag-and-drop, just like NeXTStep and Mac OS X. All of this with KDE.
Now it's time for all of the Linux and OSS movement to embrace these ideas, for they are the future.
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If this sumbitch doesn't do tarball installs, then I want no part of it. Believe it or not, some of us actually like having full control over our systems.
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restin256:
quote:Originally posted by root@localhost / BOB:
let me sum up all the Linux help forums,
wait for it... wait for it.
"RTFM n00b!"
there. that is the only "Tech Support" offered by the helpful linux community.
ammendum, reading documentation is the first mistake of application design. the user interface NEEDS to be intuitive, consistent and logical
The application should "just work" without having to dig through man-pages
[ March 10, 2004: Message edited by: root@localhost / BOB ]
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Why do you waste your time here if you're obviously too stupid to ask for help on accredited places where people are known to help you? There's never been a case in which "RTFM" has been the only answer on Linuxforums or CTH.
Meshuggener:
Personally, I'd like Linux distrobutions to stay away from a rehaul of turning Linux into being Windows - or making everything as easy as Windows and needing virtually no command line stuff. KDE is such a resource hog anyway, crashes too much too. Some of us like something fast, with minimal bloat, and complete control. As long as there's Slack and Fluxbox...
quote:the issues are real. deal with them now before they forever kill Linux's chances on the desktop.
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Who has what to lose in this? We don't need a revolution taking place to replace Windows with Linux for the desktop - MS is taking care of that for us anyway. Windows users are being bombarded with worries of security and data loss from viruses. Each new hole found is the worst one ever -- this "security through obscurity" will be their downfall. Just keep supporting RedHat and all the other 'make things easier' distros, they'll get there.
solarismka:
quote:Originally posted by jimmyjames.sytes.net:
Because you don't have to know about /dev/hda or swap partitions. You don't have to know about X11 config files or about configuring CUPS or about networks.
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Nor do you need to know about that in Linux when you set it up. The above printed is your imagination!
A default installation IS VERY simple and IS easier compared to windows which needs to know the exact hardware your running. Needs all the driver software (nothing built in and if you don't have driver software you are screwed!) and cannot locate and configure things like the net automaticaly because you have to know the settings of the network!
quote:You don't need to know about compiliing stuff, or about how to use apt-get.
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Thats correct, under linux you don't need to know that stuff but under windows you have to know things like how dll files work as well as the system registry!
quote:And most of all...
PEOPLE WILL HELP YOU IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! They won't piss at you and yell 'RTFM, YOU FUCKING NEWB!"
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Agree. People in the linux commuinty WILL help as well as there is a lot of information already from the internet, books and if you use a major distro like Red Hat or SuSE there is even a toll free number to call and no they won't leave you hanging for 40min while they shove a very large bill up your ass!
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