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solarismka:
quote:Originally posted by Sauron / B0B:
Solaris, your logic in this debate is wrong.
You have not provided any new information at all, which changes this from debate to argument/flamewar.
your logic is: If X is true and Y is in the same class as X, then Y is true, e.g. you can see where this logic falters.
I apologise if that is not your intent. However, that is that implication of the choice of words that you used.
nlother logical error that you are making is that you base your arguments that your main point is unrevocably true and any contradicting evidence is wrong., e.g. if X is true and Y contradicts X, than Y is wrong. While this is not incorrect per 'se you fail to provide evidence foryou claims, assuming that the reader knows exactly what you mean.
Again, I apologise if that is not your intent. That is just the assumption that you lead the reader to make.
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I'll try to clear myself up.
I was not debating that
"If X is true and Y is in the same class as X, then Y is true, e.g. you can see where this logic falters."
I was just stating the argument that so many m$ zealots like to repeate.
That is, that because M$ is producing these pateches then they are doing what many of us complain about.
Which is infact wrong. What they do is change things that do not need changing or when they fix things, do it in such a way that a simple two line exploit can just become three and the problem arises again. Plus when said patch IS installed then the machine has all the ear marks of that of an infected machine. The very thing that you installed the patch to avoid in the first place.
You are right these arguments are not new. Far from it. They are very old. But the problems of M$ patches are old since the problem that they produce covers the entire windows family of OS'es and not just present on older windows then solved in newer up comming versions.
The problem covers the entire spectrum. One is because the monoculture that M$ is in. Second is the use of re hashed code that I don't think m$ themselves understand. Or the problems would have been at least fixed years ago! Third is that M$ is built and ran by PR and has no interest or idea for that matter about the buisness of Operating Systems.
One really does not care for the techinical aspect of things. They just wan their stuff to work. When one is left continually fixing things because of patches etc... then that to me is NOT what I call a 'good OS' on any standards if I'm into actual computing.
[ August 08, 2004: Message edited by: kn0wn / BOB ]
solarismka:
quote:Originally posted by Sauron / B0B:
And that would be argumentum ad hominem.
Instead of disproving his postings, you say that they are wrong because it was Viper who said it.
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He assumend that I was a zealot just because I am making a valid argument?
If he can say such an assuption I can definnatly point out why he may be fitted to that definition more than me.
Aloone_Jonez:
quote:Originally posted by Viper:
Solaris is just one of those blind zealots who one can't debate with. Every OS has its' blind zealots(Windows/MacOS/Linux/Unix,etc.).
Nothing that MS does will ever be good to him because he is a blind zealot. He acts as if non-=MS software doesn't have problems/bugs/holes/bloat(even though it does...nothing is perfect).
Anyways, there is no reason to debate with him because you will get nowhere.
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True.
Solaris,
Give up, and shut the fuck up!
I've done this before; arguing about something when you
solarismka:
quote:Originally posted by Aloone:
[QB]
True.
Solaris,
Give up, and shut the fuck up!
I've done this before; arguing about something when you
Zombie9920:
At the moment there is no way to disprove his postings. SP2 is still new and we have yet to see any new vulnerabilities. At this point and time there is no way to prove wether it is going to do any good or not. He is posting that it isn't any good with no proof to back the statement up whatsoever.
[ August 10, 2004: Message edited by: Viper ]
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