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solarismka:

[ August 11, 2004: Message edited by: kn0wn / BOB ]

solarismka:

quote:Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
Yeah? Well, that's your opinion.
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o.k.

solarismka:

quote:Originally posted by Tux:

The label 'final' will never be put on a Fedora release.
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Hmmm, then why does Fedora have test candidates. I.E Fedora RC1, RC2?.....

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Fedora isn't a product per se. It is a rolling testbed for bleeding-edge stuff that will eventually make it's way into RedHat's stable and supported product lineup.
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I Agree that it isn't a normal product to which is sold off the shelf. But I believe a product that is set differently by a drive of a community rather than that of warrenties and support that you would get out of a normal box setup. So I agree you are right on that. What I meant was tha t even though redhat may be incorperating what fedora has. Fedora stands appart from redhat as that of a seperate product and is not nessessarily a testbed for redhat

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A blue collar enterprise IT buyer does not consider something with a 3 per year release cycle a stable or final product to roll out on hundreds or thousands of machines.
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I guess that depends on the I.T. Just because Fedora does release frequently doesn't mean that all of those machines will run the latest greates t version. My webservers for exsample only run on FC1 and not FC2 and probably not even FC3.

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This is who RedHat is selling to, they don't give a flying fuck about you because you have no money.

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Well actually they do. Even though Fedora is a separate product they do contribute allot of their time and energy into Fedora so they do as you say 'give a flying fuck.'

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I wasn't making any slight on the usability of Fedora.
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No, I know. I thought it would have been a good exsample that many companies don't just upgrade because there is a new verson out. Thats all.

quote:I also understand perfectly what RedHat has done and why they have done it, thank you very much.
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I never said you didn't. I just told you where I got my information since I myself was confused when Red Hat announced it.

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I have understood from the start and I've been tracking the Fedora project from the start.

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Thats great.

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Also will you please relaise that _what_you_think_ is not the be all and end all of any matter. So stop making your opinions and extrapolations on real life sound as if they are bona fide fact.
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I do not. Let me clear myself up. If you stated that M$ has 'supirior' driver support over Linux , I will disagree with you. Mainly because Linux has come along way and the amount of hardware it does support is amazing. Not only x86 but PPC and Sparc just to name a few. I know that some drivers do not work with linux. But my point was that even though some drivers do not work I found that most drivers do not work with windows. At least I find that Linux was in fact improving and wasn't saying things just for the sake of saying it.

Of course ALL OS'es are not perfect and ALL have hardware problems one way or another. But just because I do not buy in what M$ is stating without seeing any kind of hard facts does make me some sort of evil linows user.

Also I have never used lindows in my life and really don't know much about it other than the fact that its users are very happy using it. So they must be doing something right.

When it comes to SP2. I have installed many patches before promissing exsactly what SP2 promises now. Of course it could benefit. But as I see it now and given my past experiance its the same things that I have seen before with the same problems.

Also people will have different experiances with it. I run database and financial software as well as my hardware did not work very well with SP2. Like one person has already stated.

'Your milage may very.'

Of course everyone here can explain technicaly why any service pack is good. But people don't care for the technical side of things. They just want their shit to work.

Its not to say that their experiances are not positive. BUT to dismiss everybody that does have probles with it and does not buy into what M$ is saying as some sort of zealot is childish. No I will NOT agree that M$ is taking steps in the right direction since I have not seen those steps been taken yet. But who knows. Perosnally I think that if they have not got it right with XP, with the length of time they have been in business then they will not get it at all. Again thats just my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.

quote: This is the reason why people misunderstand you and you cause so much trouble here.
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I agree. But being this is a forum its easy to missunderstand something. I find it happens everyday with telephone conversations. Why? because we are not physically able to fully communicate and thus we may miss interperate what we were trying to say in the first place and come out in error. I guess such a thing will be human given our different experiance, backgrounds, values and beliefs on any topic.

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Opinions are like arsholes, everyone has them and they all stink.
- Put this in your notepad please.

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LOL I like that one. Very true!
and on that note, what i've just said is to a fair extent just my take on things [/QUOTE]

hm_murdock:

quote:I do not.
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I'd say you do. If you didn't, then we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

quote:Let me clear myself up. If you stated that M$ has 'supirior' driver support over Linux , I will disagree with you.
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Funny thing is, nobody ever said it did. They simply said that it isn't as bad as what you say. We said that it hasn't fucked up for us. Some of us even said that Linux has been known to fuck up. Because we said this, you started a jihad against people for saying that "Windows had better driver support", when nobody ever said such a thing.

quote:Mainly because Linux has come along way and the amount of hardware it does support is amazing.
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No shit. But, also remember that while many pieces of hardware are supported... many are not. You word your claims in such a way that this is what we get from you:

"Linux is perfect in every way. If you say you had a problem with it, you're lying and you've been brainwashed by the 'MS FUD machine'!"

Whether or not you mean to communicate that is irrelevant. This is the way you ACTUALLY come across.

quote:Not only x86 but PPC and Sparc just to name a few. I know that some drivers do not work with linux. But my point was that even though some drivers do not work I found that most drivers do not work with windows.
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I stated the opposite, that most do. In my experience, I've never had one driver to fuck up. I've never had a Linux driver fuck up on me. I've known people who had Windows drivers fuck up. I've known people that had Linux drives fuck up. I had an OS X driver fuck up.

quote:At least I find that Linux was in fact improving and wasn't saying things just for the sake of saying it.
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Just as Windows has. I've seen a definite improvement in quality since 1994 when I started using Windows. 3.1 was god awful, then 95 came out and it was quite amazing. Win98 turned me off of 9x completely, though, and I jumped ship to NT4. Around the same time, I started fiddling with alternative OSes. OS/2 3.x, Linux, and I got my first Mac, a then fairly new Power Mac 7200 and I ran OS 8.5 (which I gladly paid $100 for).

I went from NT 4 to 2000, but didn't get XP when it came out. By that time, I was sold on OS X, and waited until the end of summer '01 and got an iMac 500 with OS X. I used that until the beginning of summer '04, at which time I got a PC so I could run XP and Red Hat.

XP was greatly enhanced from what I remembered of 2000. It was noticably faster, it was more polished, more attractive (fuck you guys, I like the way it looks), and better than 2000.

Now, with SP2, I can say that it's gotten even better, as nearly all of the glaring problems have been dealt with.

Kudos to the Windows boys at MS. They're finally doing their job.

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