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Who stands behind the terrorists of September 11?
voidmain:
pkd, I agree totally with your take on the M$ slams. There is *plenty* of factual damning information that no one could possibly need a reason to make shit up. Keep it to facts (unless presented in an obvious humorous fictitious light).
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
The 'American dream' is an ideal, that many Americans live for. How many other countries make their four year old kids worship the countries flag every day?
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They hardly make their kids "worship" the flag. And besides what is wrong with this? It's better than having your kids pledge to kill the infidels..
quote:Anyway, the point is that i think the US would officially stand up and say that the American dream is an ideal that America still stands for to this day. That is not a stereotype, and whether or not a large amount of Americans choose to be the sort of people that don't revere this idea, this is still the official line of their country. If they want people to change their attitude about Americans, they must take an active hand in their own affairs and, for instance, vote in a government that will not say hasty things about the American dream if that's not what they really believe in. In much the same way, anything i have to say about England's dominance over Scotland is sour grapes until the Scots actually work up some gumption and use their votes for a change to become a European country in their own right.
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I may still be misreading you but I still see massive negativity in the way you write. I totally agree that "The American Dream" is to prosper. But not to prosper at the expense of morals or law. The dream is to prosper and to help others in the process. Bill Gates is not a good representation of following "The American Dream". I can give you some good examples if you wish.
Calum:
i understand where you are coming from and i applaud you your principles.
i have a negative attitude to the concept of capitalism, but not towards america, excepting in that it, as a nation, sometimes disagrees with some of my principles. I would never judge an indicidual on the basis of his or her country.
I think it is insidious to make kids salute the flag however in an officially non-christian country (and i suppose that's open to contradiction too) it replaces religion as a way to synchronise the population.
Basically i have nothing against the USA or its people but when the US stands for things i oppose, or does things i disagree with, i will disagree no less for it being the USA who i am disagreeing with (if you can understand what that jumble of words was supposed to mean!)
voidmain:
Again, I go back to my original point. Your beliefs are your beliefs. I have my beliefs which obviously somewhat differ from yours although I still believe we would have a good time in a pub. For this reason I try not to interject politics into any of these threads unless someone else brings them up first. There has been many statements made like "because of US", because of "The American Dream", "because those fucking USA idiots", etc. No reason for it, just pisses people off for no reason. I want to stick to M$ bashing and not political/values/morals bashing. On the other hand if someone else *does* interject such content I will defend my beliefs. Would rather not see it in the first place.
Thanks again for your consideration.
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Bazoukas:
I have found that the best way to learn about the world is to travel. But for many people thats not an option for many reasons.
The other way you can learn alot about the world is by watching the News criss sross style. And what I mean about that is this.
You wanna see what and how other countries think about you and in general whats their "style"? Watch , listen, read foreighn news.
And jump on EVERY chance to talk and exchange ideas and experiences with people from other countries.
I said this MANY times here, but people are much more alike than they want to admitt.
Being a dipshit is a universal virus, being a good person is a universal virus as well.
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