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Serious question for WIN advocates
choasforages:
feel sorry?, ill feel sorry for the paramedics thatal have to put his ass back together
voidmain:
The odd thing is, I think I might know him. I wonder if he has been in Dallas for the entire 3 years in country or if he moved to Dallas within the last year from another major US city? There are a few things that make me wonder. If he moved there within the last year then I'll have some more questions. unixhater?
choasforages:
then i feel sorry for you voidmain.
voidmain:
Well, it would be a little suprising because if it is the guy I knew he was fairly quiet. But he still wasn't great with English. The guy I knew I believe was actually from the Ukraine, not Russia (however, unixhater never said he was from Russia, just that Russian was his first language). He did only know Windows and did not know UNIX, he was only in country for about the time mentioned, and was/is not a US citizen. I believe he was only here on a work visa.
He could very possibly have moved to Dallas relating to a change in the Company I worked for (I made several trips back and forth to Dallas myself). Too many coincidences... If any of these pan out I'll mention his first name and see if we get a match. Then I'll contact my buddies in Dallas and they can handle it from there.
[ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
smokey:
Do you have something against Australians?
quote:Originally posted by www.unixsucks.com:
... Can you imagine yourself going to say Australia and accomlishing something withing 3 years which most Austrailains failed to accomplish for all their lives? ...
--- End quote ---
Do you have any proof that would make anybody, with an IQ in more than single digits, use windows as a server.
Point 1)
If TCO is important compare this data.
In this (hypothetical) situation you need a server solution for 500 workstations. For PC hardware I will look at Dell and I will also look at the Apple solution XServe. The server will perform a variety of tasks from being a mail server for all the workstations and also serve web pages with dynamic content (PHP/ASP/Perl).
The PC hardware:
Dell PowerEdge Tower 4600
- 2X INTEL(R) P4 XEON(TM) PROCESSOR 1800MHZ
- Integrated 10/100/1000 network
- Integrated 10/100 network
- Dual chanel ultra160 scsi
- 512mb RDRAM
- 18GB Ultrawide 160mb/sec HDD
Cost $8,899 AUD
The Mac hardware:
Apple XServe
- Dual 1GHz G4
- 512mb DDR SDRAM
- 60Gig UltraATA133 Drive
- 10/100/1000mbit Ethernet card
- ATI Graphics card
Cost $8,995 AUD
Windows
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Microsoft provided limited information but I managed to conclude that for 500 workstations you would need to spend nearly $80,000 in licensing fees for a 500 client license.
Windows solution without mail = approx. $80,000 USD
Windows solution with mail = approx. $114199 USD
Linux
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Since Linux is free and can have as many clients as you can connect. Linux comes with Apache and mail server software leaving this out of the TCO. Open source is proven reliable and is a significantly better alternative than Microsoft's high cost low return solutions.
Apple XServe
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The Apple XServe is a nice rack mount server that has an unlimited client license. The OS is very reliable and has a low TCO compared to windows. Free open source mail server software can be aquired and Apache comes with the XServe out of the box. This is a great server and, while slightly more expensive than the Linux solution, is slightly better value - as OS X server is of more value than linux.
As you can see the Apple XServe and Linux Dell box are the clear winners. Microsoft's harsh licensing scheme (soon to change for the worse) is not good for anyone.
Point 2)
If you think portability is important - then why support the biggest mutilator of standards. Microsoft has single handedly changed standards to create enormous levels of incompatibilty. Two examples are Microsoft Java Virtual Machine - a "Microsoftified" version of the Sun Java Virtual Machine and IE HTML - which only works properly on Microsoft produts. I could go on for hours about how many standards have been broken by Microsoft but http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Microsoft+standards+%2Bsun should be all you need.
Point 3)
If you want to win over people to any side the worst way to do it is to go in and say whatever they like sucks. Your online name doesn't prove anything but your underlying want do disrupt this forum with pro Microsoft messages. This is trolling and is unwanted anywhere and will get you nowhere fast.
I think I will leave it here but please consider that you are, in fact, wrong - not us.
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