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The revolution begins...
Aloone_Jonez:
quote:Originally posted by insomnia:
Indeed, you probably do this cause you don't understand anything about it.
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I would like to learn a lot more about Linux, but I already know enough to know what I dislike.
quote:Originally posted by insomnia:
They've ripped you with your computer.
It's crap.
I've installed Linux on more than 100 computers and I never had to deal with that much hardware problems.
Blame your computer shop.
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XP runs ok, not as well as I would like it to though, yesterday just as my brother was logging on XP completely froze, no BSOD, nothing, it just locked up, the mouse cursor wouldn't even move.
quote:Originally posted by insomnia:
Ps: Just give it some time and read as much as possible.
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Yes I will.
quote:Originally posted by insomnia:
Try to understand Linux and not only the GUI. ;)
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I know there is more to Linux than the GUI, most people don't use anthing else but the GUI. I (unlike most Windows users) know the DOS command line, it's not hard to use if you know all the commands and some Linux commands are similar to DOS.
The command line user interface should have long gone, GUIs are the future. A GUI doesn't need to be big a resource hog, it is possible to design a very good GUI that uses up way less than 1MB of memory.
The command line should just be there to fall back on in case the GUI fails. Text based operating systems are still good for file servers and batch data processing systems, but they are useless for any process that requires a lot of human intervention.
I know I have my concerns, but this Komodo and GenSTEP shit looks very promising, I like the easy customisation of system directories and software bundles.
keep up the good work!
[ July 20, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]
hm_murdock:
quote:it is possible to design a very good GUI that uses up way less than 1MB of memory.
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already been done. it's called twm.
why are you so obsessed with absurdly small things? are you trying to run Linux on a 386 or something?
quote:easy customisation of system directories and software bundles.
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well... it's not necessarily customizable. the mark of any good system is a consistent user experience... there are no "options" for system folder names.
[ July 20, 2004: Message edited by: JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder ]
Aloone_Jonez:
quote: already been done. it's called twm.
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A Window manager is hardly a full GUI.
quote: why are you so obsessed with absurdly small things? are you trying to run Linux on a 386 or something?
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No, I just think that modern operating systems guzzle resources. Most people don't upgrade every 2 years, and as time passes people will upgrade less often. A decent (non bloated OS) shouldn't be the main strain of system resources.
1MB was a bit extreem, but it should be useble on a 64MB system.
quote: well... it's not necessarily customizable. the mark of any good system is a consistent user experience... there are no "options" for system folder names.
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I agree, lets get rid of that Linux system folder abomination.
I know I don't expect you read all of my rambleing.
How about the other issues I raised?
How about hardware and troubleshooting?
I hope you don't have to do any command line shit to set up the system, regardless of your hardware?
Lets colapse the command line, like MS ditched DOS.
flap:
quote:Lets colapse the command line, like MS ditched DOS.
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Microsoft crippled the command line in windows to keep its users stupid. If technically adept people (particularly system administrators) realised how powerful the unix command line is, they wouldn't go back to windows.
Aloone_Jonez:
quote:Originally posted by flap:
Microsoft crippled the command line in windows to keep its users stupid. If technically adept people (particularly system administrators) realised how powerful the unix command line is, they wouldn't go back to windows.
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Yes, sorry, the command line does have it's place.
This is a main criticism I have with NT and Windows in general.
All versions before Win95 used the DOS kernel to allocate memory. Win95 provided DPMI which slowed things down a lot, they should have just rewritten DOS to be 32bit.
Also every new feature was always implemented in Windows and never in DOS, if the just added it to the DOS that Windows runs on, it would be a lot better. They used separate drivers for dos and windows, if dos was 32bit the same drivers could be used.
NT should also have a DOS like commandline without the need to load the GUI.
MS should have never ditched DOS completely, they should have just made it unnecessary for normal people to know it.
The same should happen in Linux!
The command line should be there just in case the GUI goes down, and for vary rare ocasions where it is more efficient to use the command line.
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