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The Fast-Food Syndrome: The Linux Platform is Getting Fat
Aloone_Jonez:
I know there are distros out there that will boot from one floppy, you seem to have missed the point, you can't say that Windows is bloated and Linux isn't, you can boot up windows (in DOS mode) of a floppy.
I bet you can't boot Linux of a floppy and get a fully functional desktop!
Nice one -=Solaris.M.K.A=-, your the first person here has posted something I mainly agree with. I don't know about the Tolling bit, though I don't want to go there!
I hope I'm not Trolling, by saying I agree with you am I?
Well I do agree with you, all but for one thing of course:
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? You don't every driver is built into the kernel unlike windows where you need an install file and even then it might not work! You don't need to 'tweek' anything. Everything is setup right from the install! Including any software you would like. You do not need to compile anything. It is as simple as installing an RPM through APT-Get and synaptic. Its just a couple of clicks thats it. It will put it ion the menu and everything for you!
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Yes you do!
http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=002568
The installer didn't work for me either, it was even worse for me, my leximark printer scanner http://www.linuxprinting.org has a driver but it dosn't scan.
The video driver is fucktardly slow, the graphics draw faster on Xppe than on linux.
I had to compile loads of shit to try to get my modem working, I failed.
I would say that having the drivers kept seporate from the kernel is a good thing!
What can you do, if you fuck your kernel up installing shit drivers?
There's no guarantee that you drivers will work at all!
At least in Winbloze they work even if they are buggey.
Viper:
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Another reason why I support MS is for the same reason why Apple supporters support Apple. I like thier products, and I know that it takes 1 company to control a successful OS. Why in the hell do you think Linux has the lack of drivers, games and professional quality apps? IT is because there are so many different distros of it and no sane company is going to spend all of that development time to make thier stuff compatible with all of the fucking distros.
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I agree with you, Linux lacks standards.
Standards are great!
M$ standards just happen to sod-arse!
M$ can always alter them, thus tipping the snooker table in their favour!
It's obvious why you support them and there's nothing worng with this, you depend on M$ for you income.
Just so long as you (or the company you work for) don't follow their business practices.
I hope you don't price your competitors out of business!
You don't prey on the the stupid, do you?
M$
"Windows needs to be shut down to protect your computer"
In some computer store:
Stupid customer: What computer do I need for my son to do his school work on? The old one is broken it caught a virus, I spoke to a very helpful technician earlier on today.
She said: "you need a new one I can't let you keep the old one, its contagious and it's against UK law for me to let you keep it!"
She was very nice. She even arranged for a nice man to collect the old one for disposal!
Sales assistant:
Oh yes, she's my wife, and that "nice man" is my brother, it's nice to work with your family.
You need a super duper all singing and dancing;
3GHz dual processor
raid 200GB hard disk
2GB of ram
36" plasma display
460W psu
1024 DPI colour laser printer
All the Microsoft software of your dreams
Stupid customer:
Oh Microsoft software, it must be good then!
Is it turbo charged?
Will he be able to access the Internet?
I hope he doesn't look at porn!
I hope he won't fall ill from any computer viruses!
Sales assistant:
Don't worry it comes with the latest Microsoft anti-virus software along Microsoft Windows XP, this also includes the latest Microsoft parental controls.
Stupid customer:
Wow, how much will it cost?
Sales assistant:
I'm sure that we can come to some arrangement.
Now that would be evil, I have known numerous people who have been sacked form jobs at Computer stores because they disagreed with their sales policy.
They sold far less PCs than their colleges but their returns were far less. So much so, that they actually made the store more money, as the bulk of the Store's budget was squandered on returns.
One day I will visit one of these stores and act dumb, then tell them to "shuv thier hardware up their arse, I've recorded the whole fucking conversation." LOL
I could ramble on for Infinitum!
PS
Sorry for the late editing of this post, it was made in haste, just before I had to leave for a few days.
[ July 11, 2004: Message edited by: Aloone ]
insomnia:
quote:Originally posted by Aloone:
I know there are distros out there that will boot from one floppy, you seem to have missed the point, you can't say that Windows is bloated and Linux isn't, you can boot up windows (in DOS mode) of a floppy.
I bet you can't boot Linux of a floppy and get a fully functional desktop!
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Some of them are FULL distros.
What does a UI have to do with this.
You don't seem to understand any point.
Don't blame a program for your own stupidity.
Stay with Windows if that's what you want.
solarismka:
quote:Yes you do!
http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=002568
The installer didn't work for me either, it was even worse for me, my leximark printer scanner http://www.linuxprinting.org has a driver but it dosn't scan.
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But just like that person. He has made apost here for help and there is a possible solution. Unlike windows, even though you have the correct driver install it still does not work or does not work correctly. Didn't viper just state that sometimes bad hardware screws up xp? Well considering those driver installs are ment to work with XP and the hardware itself is built for XP so then why do the drivers not work for XP?
Using that same hardware one can get linux working and if not there is help. You don't have to get expensive hardware just to satisfy XP.
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The video driver is fucktardly slow, the graphics draw faster on Xppe than on linux.
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I find that quite different. Again I had to wait well over 15 minutes just for the start button to pop open. Forget launching a program!
I've never had that happen with linux.
quote:I had to compile loads of shit to try to get my modem working, I failed.
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Did you check if it was a winmodem? Most winmodems do not work with anything other than windows. All other thinks like printers, graphics, sounds and output devices work great.
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I would say that having the drivers kept seporate from the kernel is a good thing!
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As a sys admin and someone who has repaired machines I'd say no. All I want to do is pop the CD in and be done with it. Not look around the net trying to find the correct drivers and after that they still fail.
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What can you do, if you fuck your kernel up installing shit drivers?
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Well the drivers are built into the kerenl so how could you fuck it up? if the driver IS separate like nivida then an sh filr does everything for you automatically. The kernel doesn't do anything.
The only way you could fuck it up is by compliling a completely new customised kernel that didn't come with the distro and why would anyone do that unless they are a tester for kernel.org?
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There's no guarantee that you drivers will work at all!
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Definnatly not in windows.
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At least in Winbloze they work even if they are buggey.
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Well actualy they don't I've seen driver installs mess up the OS so badly that you have to re install everything and that is quite a pain.
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I agree with you, Linux lacks standards.
Standards are great!
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I disagree with you on that. Because the kerenl is generic and the way the OS is built a program that works for one distro can easily be used on another, infact different versions of distros. In windows this cannot be done due to the fact that every application in windows uses a different protocal. What would work in XP home might not work in XP pro and definnatly will not work on win 2k and 2k3!
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M$ standards just happen to sod-arse!
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If they have standards. If they had then there programs would at least be bacwards compatible and even the applications themselves can be used with the same app but an older version. M$ Office 97 vs M$ Office 2k3.
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M$ can always alter them, thus tipping the snooker table in their favour!
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Or not. I know lots of people that are looking to the alternatives simply because One version of M$ office simply does not work with the other and I'm not even talking about the OS here.
just my two cents
EDIT rotocal -> I ment standard. :D
[ July 09, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
[ July 09, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
hm_murdock:
Aloone, shut up. Just go back to using Windows. It's obviously what you want to do. There's no shame in it, and there's nothing wrong with it. I won't say you're a bad person for giving up on Linux. It isn't for everybody.
Stop trying with it, and come back in another year or so when it's improved even more and is even more perfect.
Aloone_Jonez:
Jimmy, that's clearly the most intelligent post you've made so far, I don't really want to use Windows :( but I have no choice, as Linux doesn't support my hardware well enough to make it's adoption worth the effort. I could also bitch on a lot more about my digital camera not working with Linux, and yes I have searched for a driver.
Linux seems to be a good OS, perhaps I'm just unlucky, I've seen it run well on friends computers, they don't seem to be able to help me either.
As for the bloatware argument Linux, can be bloated if not even more so than Winbloze. However the good thing about Linux (and I'm sure I've said this before), is that it's open source. If you find it too bloated, you can shift the shit and recompile, thus numerous compact distributions have appeared.
The reason for my posts in this section is I hate people spreading fud, Windows doesn't have to be bloated. You can install older versions and still use new software. Win95 isn't as bloated as Xpee, and providing you install some library you can still install and use the latest version of openoffice.
I know this is no reason for saying Windows isn't bloated, Win95 can hardly be considered a functional OS if indeed it is functional at all. (LOL you could say this about all forms of Winbloze :D )
I bet the cheap cut down version of Xpee sold in India is far less bloated. I would love to get my hands on this, obliviously I would have to tweak things and add UK keyboard drivers and language packs but I'm sure this can be done. The EU might even rule that M$ will have to sell this in the UK too, and even if they don't there's always file share.
You people are lucky to get Linux working so well, I know you think I'm a thickshit for failing so miserably, I don't give a fuck, I bet you couldn't get Linux to work properly on my hardware, not without writing drivers anyway. I know this is a common problem, a friend of mine had to return to Winbloze (dual boot) just to setup his digital camera.
I know some of you find it hard to believe that Linux runs slower than Xpee on my system, I find it hard to believe that Xpee runs so slow on your system, it's true though some Windrivers suck and some Lindrivers also suck. I suppose it's easer to fix the Lindrivers though, the Windriver for my graphics card just happens to be better.
Linux is defiantly better than Winbloze, and it is improving. I have located a driver for my Cannon LBP-660 printer. I'm not going to bother use it though, maybe one fine day I will return to Linux, that is when it fully supports my hardware.
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