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The Fast-Food Syndrome: The Linux Platform is Getting Fat
solarismka:
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As for the bloatware argument Linux, can be bloated if not even more so than Winbloze.
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I don't buy that argument since KDE can run on 24 mb of ram where as XP can't even run at 500mb's of ram.
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The reason for my posts in this section is I hate people spreading fud,
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I agree i'm fedup of the FUD also!
quote: Windows doesn't have to be bloated.
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You cannot get rid of IE or the GUI in windows since EVERYTHING is intergrated into everything else
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You can install older versions and still use new software.
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Actualy no. If you use Office XP or some buisness app that was made for 2k3 for example. It will not work for windows 95!
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Win95 isn't as bloated as Xpee, and providing you install some library you can still install and use the latest version of openoffice.
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True you can use Open Source apps on all windows OS'es but trying to use a normal windows application that was made by M$ deems to be incompatible.
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I know this is no reason for saying Windows isn't bloated, Win95 can hardly be considered a functional OS if indeed it is functional at all.
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Even though Win95 is less stable. The security aspect and usability is no different from XP.
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(LOL you could say this about all forms of Winbloze :D )
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True!
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I bet the cheap cut down version of Xpee sold in India is far less bloated.
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I've heard now that M$ is not going to sell such an OS. I have friends there so maby i'll ask them or something.
hm_murdock:
quote:Jimmy, that's clearly the most intelligent post you've made so far, I don't really want to use Windows but I have no choice, as Linux doesn't support my hardware well enough to make it's adoption worth the effort. I could also bitch on a lot more about my digital camera not working with Linux, and yes I have searched for a driver.
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Digicams seem to be a sticking point, because so many companies cheap out and don't use standard interfaces like USB Mass Storage.
quote:Linux seems to be a good OS, perhaps I'm just unlucky, I've seen it run well on friends computers, they don't seem to be able to help me either.
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Which honestly is a big issue to me... the system needs to be greatly simplified in the respect of hardware troubleshooting.
quote:As for the bloatware argument Linux, can be bloated if not even more so than Winbloze. However the good thing about Linux (and I'm sure I've said this before), is that it's open source. If you find it too bloated, you can shift the shit and recompile, thus numerous compact distributions have appeared.
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You don't even need to recompile. I'm running Red Hat 9 with X11, KDE, Gnome, and all the internet goodies I need to run my website in 700MB of HD space.
quote:The reason for my posts in this section is I hate people spreading fud, Windows doesn't have to be bloated. You can install older versions and still use new software. Win95 isn't as bloated as Xpee, and providing you install some library you can still install and use the latest version of openoffice.
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Which honestly is quite amazing. As different as all the releases of Windows and NT are, they're still fully interoperable. 95 also does an admirable job of supporting hardware as new as about three years ago, since driver publishers were too lazy to update to Windows Driver Model, and kept using Windows 9x drivers.
quote:I know this is no reason for saying Windows isn't bloated, Win95 can hardly be considered a functional OS if indeed it is functional at all. (LOL you could say this about all forms of Winbloze )
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Win95 is quite functional. It was, IMHO the best 9x release of all. It was small (~50-75MB), simple (no shitty Windows 98 web browser), fast, and more stable than its derivatives. 98 was mediocre, and Me was horrid, although, like any OS, they could be made to be great with only a little work.
quote:I bet the cheap cut down version of Xpee sold in India is far less bloated. I would love to get my hands on this, obliviously I would have to tweak things and add UK keyboard drivers and language packs but I'm sure this can be done. The EU might even rule that M$ will have to sell this in the UK too, and even if they don't there's always file share.
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I wonder about language support, though.
quote:You people are lucky to get Linux working so well, I know you think I'm a thickshit for failing so miserably, I don't give a fuck, I bet you couldn't get Linux to work properly on my hardware, not without writing drivers anyway. I know this is a common problem, a friend of mine had to return to Winbloze (dual boot) just to setup his digital camera.
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I'd like to take a stab at it anyway :-D
quote:I know some of you find it hard to believe that Linux runs slower than Xpee on my system, I find it hard to believe that Xpee runs so slow on your system, it's true though some Windrivers suck and some Lindrivers also suck. I suppose it's easer to fix the Lindrivers though, the Windriver for my graphics card just happens to be better.
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Unaccelerated video on any OS sux.
quote:Linux is defiantly better than Winbloze, and it is improving. I have located a driver for my Cannon LBP-660 printer. I'm not going to bother use it though, maybe one fine day I will return to Linux, that is when it fully supports my hardware.
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Good!
[ July 12, 2004: Message edited by: JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder ]
mobrien_12:
You can boot an entire, working linux system off of floppys. There are much more functional than an MS-DOS boot floppy.
Linux can be booted into a working GUI desktop with Knoppix and GNOPPIX.
Linux can run as small as you want because it is modular. You want slim speed instead of lots of features? Instead of KDE or GNOME use blackbox or Windowmaker. Use abiword or LyX instead of OpenOffice. Run firefox or lynx instead of mozilla.
YOU have the choice. MS won't give you the choice.
Zombie9920:
Windows ME w/a GUI installation in 16MB. :D
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/00/05/22/000522oplivingston.xml
Aloone_Jonez:
$25 Fuck that, I don't see why you should have to buy any extra software to run Windows. This should be built into the operating system, along with all the necessary anti-virus and firewall crap.
By the way Windows doesn't cost me a penny to run, my ISP now provides a firewall as part of the service and I use the AVC free anti-virus software.
Now I've got some of you to agree with me on Linux it got me thinking, I don't plan to give up completely. I will still continue to play with Linux a bit, even though I'm not seriously considering it as a viable alternative to Windows. (well not for me at least) I will do this, as I've said before, when Linux supports my hardware well enough.
There is obviously a lot more to learn about Linux, it would be dimwitted to close my mind to Linux. Recently, I have managed to regain at least some interest in computing.
By the way, how do the drivers built into the Linux kernel work?
When you select the options in the setup program is the kernel compiled according to your preferences?
What happens if you need to change anything?
With my winmodem driver the installation script asked me to install the development tools together with the kernel source, is this normal?
Another thing I have to bitch about is what's with all these different desktops, software written for one often doesn't work in a different desktop, isn't this a standards problem?
Sometimes I don't even get any error message, for example I boot into Gnome, and click on Kword, fuck all happens. Does this sound a bit strange to you?
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