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www.unixsucks.com:
Thanks to pantso for good message. I got it. And I would tell exactly why I'm here, you said that majority of people here are educated folks and made their choice by knowing equally well both sides of the story. Look for next message in the thread where Stryker has little understanding about Windows and trying to say to me that you can not image copy Windows and you need to have a lot of clicks to make group policy.
Sryker, you can image copy windows and it's actually being used in my company (so I'm opposed to that). Moreover .NET server would be able to be installed using RIS services (if you don't know what is that then look it up). You can also boot from floppy connect to network and install Windows from network (it's been supported since WinNT 4). As far as client systems are corncerned then I would create RIS server, create Windows 2000 or XP image there and next time client boots it would be able to install OS directly from network WITHOUT USER INTERVENTION.
As far GPO is cornerned, yes you have to click, in UNIX you don't click becouse you don't have GPO, so how can you compare?
So you were implying that it can not be done, now seen that it can be done what is next?
About reliability. Majority of my servers are getting rebooted only for service packs. Last time I checked uptime on my SQL machine it was 179 days if I would not install OS services packs on that machine then it would be actually 1 year and 4 month, there were no crashes or anything else which affects it. The same goes for HTTP and FTP servers, they have uptimes in months and they are rebooted as well for hotfixes only. Reliability of windows is one of the things which people misunderstand the most and primarily judged by their experience with 9x systems and some bloated Windows installations when you have 40 different programs running on your machine which did not come with it which potentially replace system file, run under high priority and do all other nasty shit.
Also all what I mentioned are not specialized tasks, this is very common business requirement. Automatic installation of sofware, security on desktop, file system expansion, common desktop envirimont. Which of this tasks you think is not common?
And I'm not opposing to UNIX either. I would guess bind is still the fastest DNS server and I would use it if I would have a spare computer for external queries (I still would use Windows for AD DNS updates etc though). I like Linux becouse it's free as well. I'm opposing to glorifing this OS and selling it without looking at all sides of the story which clearly a lot of folks here do.

[ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: http://www.unixsucks.com ]

Stryker:
I wasn't talking about the client computers at all, i was refering to the server. And I dont recall ever saying anything about image copying... You need to inspect messages a little more before you go on about harassing them. And I know a hell of a lot about windows, and no I do not want to go into a competition over it. I was forced to administer a windows network for years, ever since nt4 was first release, I was into unix before that, and now I'm back into unix. I've had my fair experience in both subjects. Windows is not evil and useless. It has it's good points. But you are refusing to accept any counter arguement ever handed to you on this forum. I suppose I got a little off track with the clicking thing, but I do recall that driving me crazy with the policy editors poledit and gpedit. And no, linux doesn't have it, and linux doesn't need it either. Although I'm sure it's a nice feature and will be added in some day. And I'm still not sure why you cling onto windows so much. What is the main reason you are staying in windows? because it's easier? because it looks better (as your comments about the gui earlier)? Because it you can disable a run button? because you have a schedule on outlook? All of these things can be implemented into linux if you'd like, but I doubt you'd be willing to accept *nix even if it did have all of these features. Your just here for shits and giggles watching us recoil at your every statement.
And I am aware of the remote installation windows has, i used it myself for windows 2000. But what the hell does that have to do with anything I said. I never said anything at all about it and you go off saying how much I said it wasn't possible? I wouldn't bother replying to this as I likely won't respond. try http://windowsbbs.com

*Does this guy work for microsoft or something?*

www.unixsucks.com:
Or now you are all apologetic and saying that Widows has good points.
Why I prefer Windows over Linux is becouse of ease of administration. That's pretty much it. I'm admin and laziness drives progress. I can spend extra time I spend without learning vi to learn .NET.
So for starting UNIX and Windows admin. UNIX admin has whole days being explained how to use passwd and shadow file, what all options are, how to use vi and all this 5 stroke codes to make anything happen. 2-3 days wasted before he is proficient. Here is Windows admin, shown where in AD you have all use properties, explain that if he does not understand some of the checkmarks there then right click and use help (as opposed to dig through tons of man pages). So the same task Windows admin accomplished in 1 day and UNIX in 3 days. What Windows admin does in extra 2 days? He learns how to configure automatical installation of client machine, GPOs etc etc etc. He is already ahead on learning curve.

Stryker:
So far what I got out of that was:
I don't know how to administer linux properly, therfore nobody else will and it will take 3 times longer.


Sure linux gets off to a slower start than windows, that's because it's so much more powerfull and can do a lot more. You have to take the time to learn it, and for the lazy they see learning as a flaw and just turn the other direction.

[ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: Stryker ]

Stryker:
Sure windows has it's good points. It can be maintained by a 6 year old, and it's less secure, but hey, who cares huh?

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