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« on: 14 November 2003, 11:28 »
I got tired of Slackware's package managment (or lack thereof) and swaret doesn't cut it.  So I downloaded debian woody, and upgraded it to unstable so I can use kde 3.1.  It's actually pretty nice.  Once you get past the repulsive installer, that is.

Does anyone else use debian?

edit: at least debian *has* an installer, unlike a certain distribution that starts with a 'G' and ends with an 'o'

[ November 14, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]


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« Reply #1 on: 14 November 2003, 11:39 »
I'd also like to say that it seems *very* fast on this old 700 mhz laptop with 128MB RAM.  (Red hat linux with GNOME crawled on this machine - mainly due to nautilus, the nasty bloated fucker)   :D  

It's a FILE MANAGER, for crying out loud.  Nautilus can't even browse the web. Konqeror is like a frickin swiss army knife but due to its smart modular design it loads very quickly.

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« Reply #2 on: 14 November 2003, 12:56 »
I would like to use debian at some stage but i have been away from linux for a while so i forget alot of my stuff... I will get there eventually.

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« Reply #3 on: 14 November 2003, 20:40 »
quote:
Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
I got tired of Slackware's package managment (or lack thereof) and swaret doesn't cut it.  So I downloaded debian woody, and upgraded it to unstable so I can use kde 3.1.  It's actually pretty nice.  Once you get past the repulsive installer, that is.

Does anyone else use debian?

edit: at least debian *has* an installer, unlike a certain distribution that starts with a 'G' and ends with an 'o'




About the installers:
*Debian will use redhat's annaconda installer in the future.
*Gentoo uses a (very well documented) live-CD for their installation.
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml

 
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« Reply #4 on: 15 November 2003, 02:51 »
NOoooooooooooooooooooo

linux user! this is the wrong time to get fed up with slack's package management! THIS JUST IN:

use slapt-get, i'm not kidding! go and get it from linuxpackages.net! it works JUST AS WELL as apt does on debian and red hat!!!!!!!

not that there's anything wrong with debian, but the lack of apt-get is NO LONGER a reason not to use slackware!
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« Reply #5 on: 15 November 2003, 03:08 »
Nice, but I can't be arsed to go back now that I finished installing debian.  Anyway what makes debian good besides apt-get is the fact that there are TONS of packages in the repository, more than red hat or slackware.  But still, a neat development for slackware.

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« Reply #6 on: 15 November 2003, 03:25 »
Debian GNU/Linux is quite good and is the only one that properly calls Linux (when referring to it as an OS) by it's proper name of "GNU/Linux".  Debian is also known for it's stability.  however on the more stable versions of debian the oackages can be a bit out of date, and debians apt repositories are a tab bit lacking.

To insult gentoo is to lose the will to live.
Gentoo is a VERY good distro that is well documented, especially considering that slack and gentoo are similar in install difficulty, only gentoo is slightly harder to install than slack.  once you have gentoo working it is MUCH easier to use. and fast too, even KDE! and portage owns apt.
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« Reply #7 on: 15 November 2003, 05:16 »
I don't use gentoo mainly because it's even harder to install than debian, and when a new version of kde or whatever is out I don't want to spend 8+ hours compiling it on this pentium 3.

Slackware is much easier to install than gentoo, by the way.  I didn't have to read a 30 page manual to install slack.

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« Reply #8 on: 17 November 2003, 14:31 »
I use debian, took a week to get my usb mouse and graphic card to work =)
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« Reply #9 on: 17 November 2003, 17:06 »
quote:
Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
I don't use gentoo mainly because it's even harder to install than debian, and when a new version of kde or whatever is out I don't want to spend 8+ hours compiling it on this pentium 3.

Slackware is much easier to install than gentoo, by the way.  I didn't have to read a 30 page manual to install slack.




What is it with linux distros that seem to think everyone is up for an ftp install. Last time I did this I left out so many basic packages that my computer was practically unusable. I miss an install that told me what I needed for some basic operations. Gentoo is by no means easy to install. Well documented != easy to install. Keep this in mind. According to my father, swapping the engine in my brother's cavalier was easy, but its funny how there is a 1000 page manual.
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« Reply #10 on: 19 November 2003, 06:35 »
Time to throw up another post after lurking for months.

Linux User, I think you are being a little hard on the Gentoo distribution.  Its not *that* difficult.  I'm a linux midbie at best, and I've been able to get it up and running on more than one machine.

The 30+ page install manual is very straightforeward.  You don't need to study it, you just need to follow it step by step.  And nobody is going to use the whole thing.  People only need to follow the parts that apply to them.  An example is that the guild explains in detail how to configure both lilo and grub, yet users are going to use one or the other.  In the end a typical user will only really use about half the guide.  Most of the difficult parts of the installation deal with things that users of Debian or Slackware should know anyways, for example compiling the kernel, setting up networking, congiguring rc.conf etc...

Once installed, Gentoo is very easy to use.  Installing new packages can be done with one simple 2 word command.  Updating packages is done the same way.  Its just as easy to use as apt-get.  The differences between portage and apt-get are that portage complis everything on your machine from source, which takes alot of time.  This way it can compile it according to flags you can set to tailor it to whatever your hardware is.  Apt-get is very fast, but it pulls in everything compiled for a i386.  Why use packages that run best on a i386 when you have a i686?  So its kind of a trade off between speed and performance of the finished package.  And who cares about speed, what if it takes 8 hours to compile KDE?  Just start the install before you go to bed, it'll be all finished in the morning.  Gentoo gives you more control over your system than any other distro.  Not only do you have complete control over what packages you install, but also how they are compiled.  That's hard to beat.

I really don't like Debian.  Granted, it has its place, but I just don't think its good for a home OS.  Debian is going to be the most thoroughly tested and perfected linux there is.  It is the most stable, and in a situation where I needed a machin that was perfectly reliable that have to have 100% uptime at all costs, sure, I'd go with Debian.  Its the perfect Linux for a corporation's mission critical server.  But for my home computer, I want up-to-date packages.  Debian has to be one of the most outdated Linuxes there is.  Thats no fun.  The only way to get up to date packages with Debian is to use its testing packages (Woody).  But then if your going to use those, you lose all the stability that Debian prides itself on, so what's the point?  And then there's the issue about debian being slow.  Its about as slow as redhat, which is even slower than Windows.  That's no fun either.  And if one is to complain about Gentoo's difficulty in installation, Debian is not going to be a cakewalk either.  Slack at least can compete with Gentoo (almost as fast, even more up to date), but I think Debian has to be one of the dullest distros.