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Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
No matter how much it hurts the US, it is a small known fact that they do not police the world and here is the problem and the heart of the issue.

Calum is right in what he is saying, he can do whatever he wants in the UK because the US gov does not have the power to arrest him.  Sure they (the US gov) could whine to the UK gov but they would reply saying he isn't breaking any english or european laws (yet) so they cannot do anything.

Pity this didn't work for a certain person working for a legit company creating legit products for the blind when reverse engineering an Adobe product outside US soil in another country where it IS legal but thats another story and the reason why its being discussed right now.

Thats also why Redhat have pulled this particular stunt as well, they are pointing out an error in a law which hampers the US but benefits the rest of the world.

The Jimmy James / Bob:  I wouldn't bother coming to England anyway, the UK is gonna fuck itself into a hybrid of european policies and american style ideals.  I'm already making plans to leave this dump.  The EU are a fucking nightmare and couldn't organise a pissup in a brewey never mind sort out any decent legislation with regard to technology and the internet, god at one point they wanted to make it illegal for the net to even exist because they wanted to ban copying (little did they know that thats how the net works).  You only have to look at Greece as an example to NOT understand technology and Sweden for soon to be trying to ban deep linking on websites.

The best place to go where polictians have at least an idea and a clue to what is going on is New Zealand or Australia, hell even some South American countries and a former soviet country are getting it right these days.

Don't go to the UK, its fucking pants, go elsewhere.

DC:

quote:Originally posted by Calum:
bullshit. the servers are in england, they are posted to by english people, and most of the posters are english. the entire situation is governed by english law, which while it is draconian says nothing about this. let's see them try to prosecute me if i do talk about this online.
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*read* *the* *article*.

Sure, *discussing* the DMCA is fine. Posting anything in violation of the DMCA is *not*. You can go on and say "let's see them try..." but fact is THAT ALREADY HAPPENED.

Of course, it is far from certain that the US gov will *do* anything if anyone talks about what a security patch does (and, more precicely, what the original flaw was). However, posting info on that original flaw can count as a copyright circumvention technology (or whatever), even when only ment to show what is *fixed*.

The internet, and jurisdiction *on* the internet is a tough point in law these days. Common sense may learn that a citizen in country X, posting information from himself on a country-X-server not specifically targeted to any country should fall under country X's jurisdiction, but the law is uncertain of this, since the information is published in country Y, where it is illegal.

Let's just hope the US doesn't set a precedent - I don't want to be hunted down by the Chinese governement from publishing "capitalist propaganda", or by some fundamentalistic country (UK for example - isn't there a blasphemy law still in place?) for violating their laws.

Stryker:
So lets just say I am from Australia or the UK or something, where would I go to look this stuff up? I know I could go to any place really, but I don't want any psychological tricks into making me believe the wrong thing. (Not that I am susceptible to such tricks), what's a good source? Or is the security update not all that usefull to me? (RH7.3)

[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Stryker ]

Crunchy(Cracked)Butter:
I don't really think it is important in all reality, they are just following the bullshit law, its not as thought they are gonna do you for it is it?

lazygamer:
Consider this, it's illegal, but will the local police go through the trouble of enforcing such a law? Will the government even bother tracking you down, unless you do something really big? Even if your charged, would you get in much trouble?

I'd say the DMCA is a scare tactic, as is the standard anti-piracy laws.

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