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Redhat fights the DMCA
Calum:
bullshit. the servers are in england, they are posted to by english people, and most of the posters are english. the entire situation is governed by english law, which while it is draconian says nothing about this. let's see them try to prosecute me if i do talk about this online.
HPC GUY:
wow, by reading this stuff i feel completly violated by my own government!! I am missing out on precious information and data. after all Knowledge is power....
hm_murdock:
Precisely, HPC GUY!
The DMCA, TCPA, DRM, all this isn't about "copyright protection"... it's about "knowledge control".
The entertainment cartels here in the States want to CONTROL KNOWLEDGE. That's been clear to me for some time. Sure it sounds ludicrous, and like some kind of conspiracy theory... but look at the evidence.
It's not some fanatic's ramblings about shadowy events that might point toward something. It's out in the open, in plain sight. They're not making any attempt to hide the fact that they feel they have the right to control all knowledge.
They boil everything down to the lowest common denominator. Creative works become "content". Content isn't appreciated, it's "consumed". This content is then intellectual property, or "ip". They've now semantically removed it from being a work of artistic creation into being a product, then removed it once further into being a non-product, but merely a generalization.
All music is content, and all content is our ip. Music is not music, it's ip.
The TCPA will technologically entrench the concepts of the DMCA. Not only will you be prohibited by law from doing, seeing, and knowing certain things, but now they have a method of actually policing. They can know when you look at anti-DMCA materials, and then they can sick the lawyers on you.
These people aren't just a threat to the United States, either. Once they ruin this place... they're comin' for you! Start now in your own countries while you've got a chance. I fear it's too late for us.
I hear that Canada and England are both beautiful places to live. I should like to move to one or the other someday, so that I can sit back and watch the United States of the Dollar implode.
Fuck the DMCA. Fuck TCPA. Fuck Hollywood.
I'm becoming a bitter young man thanks to them.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: The Jimmy James / Bob ]
Master of Reality:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
maybe you yanks should go and read those boards, if i were to, for instance post there (and i didn't mean that about the yanks, i realise that canada is part of north america too though...)
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this "banned in US" law doesnt apply to canada.
Master of Reality:
quote:why'd you start this topic? this site is hosted in california which means that, while i now know all about it, nothing can be legally posted about it on this site.
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Ummmm thats not true. We cant post certain security things here. We are allowed to talk about the stupid law all we want here. We are allowed to link to an article about the law. We are allowed to post links to a security update that is banned in the US as long as we say "US citizens dont go here", But of course there is nothing stopping them from clicking on it anyway.
quote:i can go and say what i like about it on UK linux sites such as newtolinux.org.uk and yourlinux.co.uk/forums since they are hosted in the UK, and i am in england...
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You can post all you want about it here too!!!!! Just dont post the *certain* security updates that are illegal in the US... Unless a US citizen found the security flaw.
quote:It is illegal to publish stuff like that in the US. This includes via the net, even when on a foreign page by foreign citizens aimed at foreigners. According to the warped view of the US governement that is.
So, if I put info on my page on how to hack, which is AFAIK (but IANAL) perfectly legal here, I may be arrested for doing so unless I somehow restrict US citizens from reading it.
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the way red hat did it was just saying that US citizens aren't allowed to read it....its like putting "you must be 18" on the front page of porn sites, its not really stopping anyone but law-abiding citizens.
well.... i figure that the US is trying to help MS out by getting all their competition to move to different countries. Soon US wont be able to use Linux legally if they make it so that you *must* have that processor with the stuff in it (arent i descriptive).
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