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Calum:
well if you did not install kde, but did install gnome then you have galeon? i think that's the gnome file browser... also, you will likely have the gnome package manager, i think it is called grpm [edit - no it's not! it's called gnorpm] on the command line, and it is roughly equivelant to krpm which is what these guys are talking about.

regarding the    
quote:./configure
make
make install

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this will work fine for most things. the first command uses the configure script to make a Makefile for your machine (based on what compiler you have and so on), the second line runs make (which reads the Makefile you just created and compiles the program), thr third line must be entered as root, so su into root mode and run it. it should either install, or exit printing all the errors. these will typically tell you to install some other stuff that is required before it will allow you to install this program. [edit - is this right, by the way? some people might be able to correct me on some of this...]

personally, i would say rpms might be easier, but if you want to learn (and if you want an install that matches your personal computer/system setup) then you'd be better installing from source.

[ September 16, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]

voidmain:
At the login prompt you should have a selection box that allows you to change which window environment you want to log in with.  You have Gnome set as the default, but if you look at the pulldown list and "KDE" is there you have it installed and if you select it you will log in to KDE instead of Gnome.  

Also you can run Konqueror in Gnome but it will not be listed in any menu by default.  You can run it from a command line (or run box) by typing "konqueror". If you have KDE installed it will run.

Calum:
however if he only installed GNOME and not KDE (not a bad plan, so long as your mouse and so on are supported properly in GNOME), then he will have to install konqueror specifically off the CD to use it, and will not get KDE at said login prompt. Also, he won't even see the login prompt if he chose to login as a particular user automatically when he starts up. however there are graphical rpm tools in GNOME too...

voidmain:
Mouse support is not a function of the Window manager but a function of X. If the mouse works in Gnome it will work in KDE. You can not just install "konqueror" alone, you also have to have all the KDE libs and KDE net installed. But it's certainly easy to find out if it's installed, just type "konqueror". If it's installed it will run, if it's not it won't.    I'm not trying to tell him to use one Window manager over another as that is a personal preference. I was just trying to give him some pointers on how to try out both and determine whether they both were installed or not. I also suggested that it is far better to use RPMs on an RPM based system if there are RPMs for the particular application he wants to install for several reasons. Things you get with RPM over a source install:

- Ability to check dependencies
- Ability to upgrade/freshen
- Ability to uninstall
- Ability to verify install
- Ability to query
- Checksums
- etc

Source installed software will not be registered in the RPM database on your system and thus becomes it's own little unmanaged entity.  Sure there are not RPMs for everything and you will need to install a source only version now and then but if there is an RPM version of it it's to your advantage to use the RPM.

Calum:
good points indeed.

re: mouse support, what's odd then is that whenever i personally run the gnome toolbar, no matter what desktop environment i am in, the mouse goes bloody haywire, and i cannot do a thing!

this is not an issue, i just don't run that particular app.

now back to the subject in hand, i am sorry that i implied it was a case of telling somebody which programs to use, i was really just trying to say that even if he doesn't have kde then he can still use a gui running rpm manager to do the job.

re: konqueror without kde, of course, where is my head at? then again, if one tried to install konqueror, surely they would get errors to the effect that certain libs etc would also need to be installed, and thus they could install whatever was required without needing the full desktop environment, am i right? or just blowing out my ass again?  :D

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