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If Linux doesn't get its desktop act together...
Chooco:
um.....XP dude said that this palladium thing will destroy Linux because Palladium servers only work with Palladium clients. FYI, incase you have no already noticed this, most servers (including websites) are on Solaris or some other form of POSIX based OS/kernel. look at major websites, master servers for things like games as well as proxies for companies and you will find that all of them are Unix. if you don't believe me about the website thing, go to http://netcraft.com and lookup all of your favourite websites, at least 75% of them will be non-windows based and i bet my life on that.
Netcraft is on FreeBSD
Internet.com (company that owns lots of websites) is on Solaris
WindowsXPUser.com (owned by internet.com) runs on RedHat Linux
hardporn.com runs on Linux, hell i had to throw in a non technical site somewhere ;)
tomshardware.com is on FreeBSD
linuxsucks.org is on Linux
this site is on FreeBSD
PHP.net is on Linux
OReilly.com is on Linux (my favourite book publisher)
Oprah.com is on Solaris, lol i had to throw in Oprah ;)
the only sites i can think of which runs on Windows is Anandtech.com and Windows.com/Microsoft.com
badkarma:
quote:Originally posted by DC:
Well, you may mock the guy, but he has a serious point here. If they figure how to do it right (and they very well might - what MS lacks in programming skills they make up in marketing skills), they might very well pull it off. I read some freaky horror stories on the register and similar pages about it.
Of course there are many ways in which this could backfire. But if it works, you might find your Linux/Mac (perhaps)/BSD/whatever machine incapable with all windows machines. And buisinesses WILL swich if they find out that 98% of their consumers have problems reaching them because they have a palladium OS.
And bazoukas: your right. If they win this way, it won't be because of better technology. Ok, partially right - Gates isn't paranoid and delusional. He'll win by marketing and monopoly power. But he'll win.
It may or may not be illegal, but I'd hate to let the US governement decide about that one.
So stop flamefesting with the XP troll and do something about it.
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maybe M$'s shennanigans might work in the US (cause the representatives of the people there are more like the bitches of the corporations) but this would definitely *not* stick in our country...
Furthermore a lot of companies are more and more looking for ways to escape M$'s upgrade stranglehold, this will only even help.
ims27_8:
quote:Originally posted by Chooco:
the only sites i can think of which runs on Windows is Anandtech.com and Windows.com/Microsoft.com
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i think you forgot taliban.com
DC:
quote:Originally posted by BadKarma:
maybe M$'s shennanigans might work in the US (cause the representatives of the people there are more like the bitches of the corporations) but this would definitely *not* stick in our country...
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Err... we are now controlled by the CDA, LPF and VVD. Guess on which side they are, the masses or the corporations.
quote: X11
Most of the servers are running some kind of Unix, which in the way of servers is supirior of Windows. Because Unix can handle kaboodles of users at one time. Also Unix was designed to be secure. Windows was not!
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Stick to the point will ya. This is about palladium, not about Win vs Unix.
quote:
The smart admins use Unix... check the Web Server Survey
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In case you didn't notice, smart admins don't always make decisions on networking. If marketing sees that 98% of their (desktop) customers want them to swich platform, then it won't be a difficult decision for them when their servers need replacing. Certainly not with MS representatives talking in to them.
Reality check: corporate decisions are rarely decided by mere product superiority. If they were, would't all corporations use Unix now? (. Maybe most of them on the server area do that, but not all. And it's much worse on the corporate desktops).
badkarma:
quote:Originally posted by DC:
Reality check: corporate decisions are rarely decided by mere product superiority. If they were, would't all corporations use Unix now? (. Maybe most of them on the server area do that, but not all. And it's much worse on the corporate desktops).
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A lot of companies are looking for alternatives to M$'s new licensing scheme. About 60% of all (questioned) IT managers iirc. If so many companies are looking for alternatives for the licensing, how many would look for alternatives when this, which completely, utterly and unrevocably locks them in a really small closet with microsoft arrives? Microsoft isn't exactly known for their secure and bugfree software either....
The software industry is also relatively young, a lot of guidelines set for other industries (like car manufacturers) just don't exist for software manufactures. Let us look at the EULA's and draw a little analogy:
What if you bought a car and you got an agreement that you could use the car but not actually call it your own. And if you lost your keys three times you would have to buy a new car. However, when the brakes fail the company who produced it ofcourse dismisses all responsibility and you end up paying for whatever accident you caused, there is also no warranty ofcourse, so when it breaks you're on your own. And if you actually wanted to resell the car ... boy are you in for a ride.
Opening up the car too see what's under the hood would be a criminal offence and could get you in jail and they would reposess your car (oh wait, it wasn't your car anyway ;) ).
I think you can see my point ;)
(and this kind of stuff just won't fly here in holland, and if it does, I'd actually consider going into politics ;) )
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I don't really think our current cabinet is going to reach a full 4 years. Somehow I don't see this happening, the LPF are just too inexperienced and bound to fuck up bigtime. And if that happend and there is an election, you can kiss the LPF goodbye....
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[ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: BadKarma ]
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