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voidmain:
Well, they sorta do, if you find the right manual. This would be a distro specific service call, but I knew you were using RedHat sooo. You might also look at that /etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables script and see exactly what commands are used under the "stop" section. I consider the scripts/code to be documentation as well, you can learn a lot by looking through them.

Master of Reality:
ok i stopped iptables an unloaded its module, but when i try to
insmod ipchains
it says:
Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains.o
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipchains.o: init_module: Device or resource busy

does this mean that there is soemthing using iptables still? I couldnt find very good info on switching from iptables to ipchains (most people switch to iptables from ipchains) when i STFW.

voidmain:
I just did an "insmod ipchains" without a problem (even though it is better practice to do a "modprobe ipchains").  You must have iptables stuff loaded.  If you make sure iptables service is turned off (/sbin/chkconfig iptables off) and you shut down the service then that should be it.  

Can you paste in a copy of the output of "/sbin/lsmod"? You could always whimp out and reboot but I would never do that.     Also if you added any other firewall script or modules to your startup scripts (rc.local etc) you'll need to comment them out first.

Master of Reality:
i dont need to restart... couldnt i just go down to runlevel 1 where all the internet stuff is turned off and then back up to init 3?

voidmain:
Can you post your module list from "lsmod"?

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