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apt for RPM - Calum, you want this!
voidmain:
That's great. I think it is good that there are several distributions of Linux to compete with each other. It's added incentive to progress. Debian is the only contender that we know will always be here. It will never go out of business no matter how big/popular RedHat or SuSe or some other distro becomes. And even if all commercial distros disappear we'll always have Debian.
A side benefit of Debian is it keeps the Commercial distros in check. The commercial distros know they can't rape their users or their users will drop them like a hot potato for Debian or another distro. I am not like many who would like to see one Linux. I think the competition is what will eventually make Linux king (it already is in my book but it will only keep getting better).
But Debian *is* as good (and better in many ways) as any commercial distro for hard core types like us. I happen to push RedHat because I think it has the eye candy that n00bs and Windows converts want to see (initially). It has the commercial support that businesses want to see. And it has put a lot of work into standardizing the desktop which initially I didn't like but now see as a win for the new user.
creedon:
quote:Originally posted by void main:
That's great. I think it is good that there are several distributions of Linux to compete with each other. It's added incentive to progress. Debian is the only contender that we know will always be here. It will never go out of business no matter how big/popular RedHat or SuSe or some other distro becomes. And even if all commercial distros disappear we'll always have Debian.
A side benefit of Debian is it keeps the Commercial distros in check. The commercial distros know they can't rape their users or their users will drop them like a hot potato for Debian or another distro. I am not like many who would like to see one Linux. I think the competition is what will eventually make Linux king (it already is in my book but it will only keep getting better).
But Debian *is* as good (and better in many ways) as any commercial distro for hard core types like us. I happen to push RedHat because I think it has the eye candy that n00bs and Windows converts want to see (initially). It has the commercial support that businesses want to see. And it has put a lot of work into standardizing the desktop which initially I didn't like but now see as a win for the new user.
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For as much as I tout apt/dpkg, and as good as it is, the single biggest advantage Debian has is the core of maintainers that keep it so damned stable; it's a ROCK, reliable as the sunrise, and it's all due to a bunch of volunteers who do the work for nothing but the sake of producing a superior operating system. I am just amazed at the dedication of these people, and I'm really greatful that they're willing to do what they do. A lot of Linux users have said that Debian is a "Communist" distro; personally, I think that Debian just shows what a world-wide group of dedicated individuals can accomplish when they're willing to work together.
Calum; Give Libranet a try; it's Debian without the pain!
Calum:
seems like some kind of fucking joke...
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well, i'll try and resolve all these dependencies but it better fucking work after all this crap.
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oh good, well i'm really happy about that. this leaves me dead in the water, what do i do now?
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this sucks so much, i really have to fucking hold a program's hand to get it installed. how ironic.
four edits later, and i am still on the dependency-go-round with no hope of ever getting off. i still don't know what to do about the bzip libraries, and now, what a surprise:
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[edit the fifth]well, tcl is now up to 35% downloaded, and i have to go out, so this attempt to install this program that allegedly gets rid of dependencies is now taking more than one day to install, and i still don't know what to do about the bzip conflict thing. any ideas? i think linux needs to consider people who don't have a personal connection to an internet backbone in their living rooms.
[ November 02, 2002: Message edited by: Calum-21.2 ]
voidmain:
Calum, I am really sorry about your trouble and there are two things that I forgot when I started this thread.
First I forgot that you are on Mandrake. I am fairly sure this will not be the good experience it is on RedHat on Mandrake if it even works at all on Mandrake.
Second thing I forgot is that you are on dialup and it's a pain for you to download crap. Things that take me seconds could take you an hour over dialup. After researching this a little more I don't think it's going to work on Mandrake. Why do I think that? There are no Mandrake apt repositories that I can find.
Again, I am sorry you wasted a whole day on this. But for those who are using RedHat, this is a *must have*. After installing you would never again have the type of problem you are having just getting apt installed unless the package you are trying to install is not in the repository (all the good stuff is in there).
Calum:
hmm, well i will continue to strive for this thing, as it really makes me more determined as i put more effort into something! i spent weeks getting all the dependencies for wine, although i never got it to actually run anything... so i will keep trying, and void main, it certainly isn't your fault i can't get it to work, thanks for telling me about it anyway! but do you have any idea how i can resolve this bzip thing? usually i just come up against dependencies, not conflicts, so what comes next in that case?
and lastly, here's an update:
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I'll keep you all posted! ;)
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This annoys me because lsbdev is supposed to contain libc.so.6 according to rpmfind, and anyway i am sure i had C libraries installed anyway...
right, time to download some red hat package with libc.so.6 in i suppose...
[ November 02, 2002: Message edited by: Calum-21.2 ]
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