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Master of Reality:
i did
rpm -Uvh rpm-4.2.rpm --nodeps
rpm --rebuilddb
then it gave me a whole bunch of errors and then rpm wouldnt work afterwards.

I dont know if it works now.

....
EDIT... Me fixed it... i had to do rpm -Uvh 4.2.rpm --nodeps --force

[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / B0B ]

voidmain:
Usually you get all of the RPM system packages listed on RedHat's web site and upgrade them all at once. Here are the updated packages. You would *at minimum* want to upgrade any in the errata list that you currently have installed:

http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHEA-2002-024.html

This upgrade isn't as critical as previous upgrades. For instance, there doesn't appear to be a database upgrade involved. If there were you surely need to upgrade the database and the RPM packages together or you will run into trouble.

Master of Reality:
i really should upgrade to redhat 8.0.

voidmain:

quote:Originally posted by creedon:
The obvious (and best) solution is to simply INSTALL DEBIAN!!!  Why would ANYONE want to use the apt/dpkg management system with Redhat when DEBIAN is the most powerful, stable, sexiest, beautiful operating system tha ever has, or ever will, exist.  When you install DEBIAN, you automatically grow four inches (vertically AND horizontallly),; women FLOCK to you instictivley, your bank account DOUBLES, your dog no longer has fleas, and your electric company sends YOU checks!

REAL men use DEBIAN!!
--- End quote ---


Hey, I like Debian too, espeically the package management. However, I believe RedHat is far superior to Debian for a n00b because there are a lot things that are cleaned up and polished including many nice graphical administration utilities. It's clean and everything fits together well the way they have it set up. I personally don't mind RPM but it is more difficult if you don't know how to use it. RedHat 8 does solve some of this with their new graphical package management utility but it's really only good for what comes on their CDs. And as much as I hate to use popularity as an excuse RedHat does have more 3rd party support than any other distro.

Having said that, I like Debian as much as I like RedHat for servers, both of them being far out in front of any other distro in my views. But for Desktop use I think RedHat is hard to beat. apt is superior to RPM in a lot of ways and I hope RedHat adopts this (or at least an apt like front-end) in future releases. I doubt they will do this but one can hope.

creedon:

quote:Originally posted by void main:


Hey, I like Debian too, espeically the package management. However, I believe RedHat is far superior to Debian for a n00b because there are a lot things that are cleaned up and polished including many nice graphical administration utilities. It's clean and everything fits together well the way they have it set up. I personally don't mind RPM but it is more difficult if you don't know how to use it. RedHat 8 does solve some of this with their new graphical package management utility but it's really only good for what comes on their CDs. And as much as I hate to use popularity as an excuse RedHat does have more 3rd party support than any other distro.

Having said that, I like Debian as much as I like RedHat for servers, both of them being far out in front of any other distro in my views. But for Desktop use I think RedHat is hard to beat. apt is superior to RPM in a lot of ways and I hope RedHat adopts this (or at least an apt like front-end) in future releases. I doubt they will do this but one can hope.
--- End quote ---


Agreed, with reservations; Woody's installer, like all the previous versions installer, is a throwback to the early '90's when installing Linux was a severe pain in the ass.  It's gotten so bad that Debian is getting flak from long time users (I don't really understand that, after one install, apt-get dist-upgrade on a new release should eliminate a fresh install, but, hey it's all theory, right?)  
The weeping and moaning HAS had a positive effect; one of the main goals for "Sarge" is a GRaphical installer- right now, an installer that ProgenyLinux developed is in the lead.  It's called PGI (piggy) and the sreenshots are very interesting; the Debian maintainers say they won't release "Sarge" as stable until PGI is available for all architctures, so maybe the creamy goodness of Debian will become easier for noobs to get to.
There's also a project called "Debian Desktop" that just started with a goal of competing toe-to-toe with Redhat in the Linux desktop arena; should be interesting.

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