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I hate having to ask this, but how do you install programs?
voidmain:
Have you heard of RPM? RPM is the equivelant of the executable installers you are talking about. You download an RPM you click on it and it installs. The source distributions have nothing to do with one operating system vs another. I can download source distributions for Windows just like I can for Linux and not only is it not easier in Windows when I do this, it is HARDER.
emh:
quote:Originally posted by fett101:
OMG!! You have to doubleclick the zip, then click and drag the files to a folder, and then double click the setup. OH THE HUMANITY!!!
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No you can't. Only if you have WinZip installed, which isn't installed by default on any version of Windows prior to XP, which is what the majority of Windows users still have. Windows doesn't come with this ability by default. People still have to know that they have to get WinZip.
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And Windows doesn't require the command line currently for zips, correct. Linux does. Linux will never go mainstream with average consumers until they eliminate the need for the command line. Noobs would take one glance at the command line and crap thier pants.[/QB]
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So how come DOS was used for so long? Or Apple IIe? Command line is nothing new, it just has different forms.
For the record, you don't have to use the command line to extract a tar.bz2 or tar.gz file anymore. You can open it by clicking on it in your file manager, then just copying the directory within and pasting it where you want it to go.
Sometimes, there's an executable installer within. Sometimes, there's just a bunch of files and instructions on what to do with them. This is the case in both Linux and Windows. It's not that hard to follow instructions. You're making this out to be harder than it is.
doublefresh:
quote:i'm not gonna waste my precious bandwaith downloading programs taht should have been included with the OS!!!
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Lol, since when did RPM become part of Linux??? It's a program that you can download for Linux just like winzip is a program you can download for windows.
Just because Mandrake or Red Hat include it on a CD of free programs does not mean it was made by the makers of Linux. What I mean to say is RPM is not part of the operating system itself.
Maybe you are one of the people who buy Linux in a box. Not me. I download it from the Mandrake site, and then I download the other programs that I want to add to my OS. There certainly are programs I like to use that are not included on the Mandrake CD.
You may still be on a modem but I've had DSL for years and downloading 50 MB files takes no time at all. I downloaded the entire Gig + of Mandrake 9 in just under 4 hours. A 2 minute program like Winzip is a joke. Get with the times my slow friend :) Port scanning on a modem suck also. Maybe thats why your windows always locks up on you!
Oh god no! Not shareware. Only Microsoft users would charge for programs!!!! Wrong again. There is a ton of shareware $20 - $4000 programs for Linux as well.
I can find enough quality freeware for windows 2000, xp , 98, 95, NT to keep me busy for the next 20 years. Linux is not the only OS to offer quality free apps.
Linux may be a bit more stable, open source and less spyware but other than that I don't see why so many people here are 100% against something that actually works pretty well.
I hear alot of you bitching about the price of windows. You claim $1500 computers with another $1000 of software on it.
Bull shit. You can buy a used Pentium III 750 in the newspaper for $250 and install a legal copy of XP for another $150 for a grand total of $400
There are free versions (clones) of the microsoft office suite and all the freeware you need to do just about anything you need to do on a computer.
So for $400 an average computer user can have a decent computer.
For $250 they could have the same computer with Linux but have a hell of a time learning the command line entry and how to configure a number of things that XP does automatically.
Again I state I like Linux. I'm learning to use it. I realize it has some advantages over MS products but mainstream america is not ready for it because it is not easy enough yet and saving $150 is not that big a deal.
voidmain:
quote:Originally posted by doublefresh:
Lol, since when did RPM become part of Linux??? It's a program that you can download for Linux just like winzip is a program you can download for windows.
Just because Mandrake or Red Hat include it on a CD of free programs does not mean it was made by the makers of Linux. What I mean to say is RPM is not part of the operating system itself.
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I am beginning to wonder if you know anything at all about Linux, or have ever touched it. Are you sure you are not really Zombie?
First of all Linux is just a kernel, although many people incorrectly use that name generically as the term for a general distribution (or operating system). I am one of those people, because it is easier.
Linux proper is just a kernel not an operating system, just like the NT kernel is a kernel, not an operating system. All of the other things included with a distro make up the operating system. RPM *is* part of the operating system in RedHat, Mandrake, and SuSe. RedHat developed RPM (That's why it's called the RedHat package Manager). It's equivelant to "Add/Remove Programs in Windows", or is that not part of the Windows operating system?
In RPM based Linux "operating systems" programs are bundled in an RPM. In Windows they are usually bundled in a self extracting/installing executable. In RPM based distros you click on the RPM and it installs very similarly.
Now, do you have any other words of wisdom to teach us about Linux based OSs?
And give me a quote on a cluster of Windows 2000 servers running SQL Server and IIS for serving an busy hosting site. I'll get you a quote for Linux and we'll compare prices. BTW, I'm going to have some developers so throw about 30 licenses in for Visual Studio.NET. Oh wait, we're going to need Exchange so they can collaborate. Get me some licenses for that as well.
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
slave:
quote: Lol, since when did RPM become part of Linux??? It's a program that you can download for Linux just like winzip is a program you can download for windows.
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Well, Linux actually is just a kernel, but most people mean Linux as in a Linux distribution. RPM is the software management system that's a part of every RPM-based linux distribution. There is never any need to download it.
quote: Oh god no! Not shareware. Only Microsoft users would charge for programs!!!! Wrong again. There is a ton of shareware $20 - $4000 programs for Linux as well.
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True, albeit not nearly as many, and I've never seen any that are very useful. I'd also suspect that Linux users are more likely pay for any commercial (proprietary) software they get because they are usually very principled individuals.
quote: Linux may be a bit more stable, open source and less spyware but other than that I don't see why so many people here are 100% against something that actually works pretty well.
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Hehe, just what do you mean by "less" spyware? I've probably said this before, but you see a lot of anti-Microsoft sentiment around here because after all the site is called fuckmicrosoft.com. Most of the people here are against Windows out of sheer hatred for Microsoft and for more practical reasons such as cost effectiveness, flexibility, the appeal of open standards, low suceptibility to viruses, superior programming environment, etc. I use Windows myself and I can find little wrong with it GUI-wise, but like void main said in some other post, the GUI is not the OS as some people would have you believe.
quote: Bull shit. You can buy a used Pentium III 750 in the newspaper for $250 and install a legal copy of XP for another $150 for a grand total of $400
There are free versions (clones) of the microsoft office suite and all the freeware you need to do just about anything you need to do on a computer.
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I assume you're talking about OpenOffice? Linux users would go a step further and tell you paying for the OS itself is uneccesary. If you're going to use a cross-platform office suite like Openoffice why not just use Linux and save yourself 150 dollars? I sure wish I had 150 extra dollars right now.
quote: Again I state I like Linux. I'm learning to use it. I realize it has some advantages over MS products but mainstream america is not ready for it because it is not easy enough yet and saving $150 is not that big a deal.
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Eh, who cares about mainstream america anyway? ;)
[ November 19, 2002: Message edited by: Windows XP User #5225982375 ]
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