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The beast is out Get it now
Master of Reality:
I just burned Red Hat 8.0 on my only CDs (luckily they are CD/RW) and it wouldnt boot off them. I might make a boot disk and try that, but i might be too lazy.
Master of Reality:
i think just my first CD is PhUx0r3|) it wont mount. I will burn it again and try again.
voidmain:
Well, I gave it a clean install on a separate partition on my laptop and have been playing with it for about an hour now. Up to this point here are my thoughts: IT FUCKING SUCKS! Those KDE guys were right. Red Hat really fucked this thing up. I would have to say my initial impression is this is the single worst version of Red Hat I have ever used. And I've used them all. In fact, it reminds me a lot of what I don't like about Mandrake (which means that maybe the Mandrake users would like it).
Firt time I logged in I thought I would check out the new Gnome. It certainly didn't look like Gnome and the first thing that happened is the damn thing crashed and restarted the desktop. Ok, time to check out how they fucked up KDE.
It might be better for n00bs as they have added a few *nice* apps most notably a good software package installer and some other graphical system configuration tools. But I want my non-hacked KDE back! I got most of KDE configured back the way I like it but the fonts are fucked.
I won't give up on it just yet, I mean it does have the latest Evolution, OpenOffice, KDE, etc, but they completely fucked up what people liked about each desktop. They added shit to KDE that worked half assed. They changed a lot of the ICONS. I'm pissed! I am tempted to just uninstall KDE and get the latest RPMS from KDE's web site. And just as tempted to drop Red Hat altogether for Debian.
But, we'll see if enough people like me complain enough so that when 8.1 comes out they ditch their customizations and BlueCurve shit and get their heads out of their asses. I certainly see what all the fuss was about on the KDE news groups. I am with them on this one. KDE 3.x worked *perfectly* on Red Hat 7.3. What comes with 8.0 is a pile of customized crap.
Needless to say I will not be "upgrading" any other machines just yet. It's odd that they could go from what I consider to be their best release in 7.3 to their worst in 8.0.
[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
xyle_one:
i have installed redhat8.0 and played with it for a bit as well void main, and i have mixed opinions. First off, a little background. i do not know linux. I have used linux for all of about 1 month (regularly). i use mac osx jaguar as my main os.
It seems that redhat 8.0 has made it easy for the noob (me) to jump into linux and just use it. Its clean feeling. there isnt alot going on when you boot into it. its a pretty face on top of a powerful os. But if i wanted that id use osX jaguar (which i do). I think there should be a choice during install to choose the new Bluecurve style, or the tried and true old style. add it to the options when you choose to use kde, gnome etc.
the one thing about linux was it made you learn how to use a computer. with this new redhat, and the simplified front to it, you really wont have to. which is good for people looking to make the switch, but dont want to dive right into it and learn how to use a computer. i want to be thrown into it, forced to learn it. Redhat 8 is friendly, but i wouldnt switch from osX. Im sure a lot of people looking to switch from windows would love the new redhat, whereas a lot of veteran linux users might switch distros. i dont know enough about linux to give a good assesment of this package though. it is good for the "noobs", something a little less intimidating.
i like redhat7. it is what im currently learning (im reading this book, "Linux Adminstration, a Beginers Guide", and redhat 7.0 shipped with it). I like the command line, probably because of the years using autocad. i like how insanely customizable it is. its fun. i will keep 8.0 on and play with it for now, but redhat 7 is a lot more "fun"
ecsyle_one
voidmain:
I am calmed down now. I agree that the new Red Hat should be much better for the n00bs. And they did a lot more than just create a theme for both Gnome and KDE (I was under the impression that is all they did). I think the new graphical tools are excellent for the n00b. What's underneath is all I'm really concerned about anyhow. I don't actually use a GUI for much more than opening up a few terminal windows, opening up Konqueror, and Evolution for Email so what's the difference right? Right.
I still can't get the fonts right in Konqueror which is probably the single biggest gripe I have right now. Konqueror used to look much better than Mozilla for fonts in my opinion. In RH8 Mozilla doesn't look much better than it did before but Konqueror is hosed (I hope that wasn't intentional).
So I'll leave my initial review as it is. I have a feeling any RedHat lover would have the same initial reaction I had. For those people who didn't like RedHat before, maybe this is what they were wanting.
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