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voidmain:

quote:Originally posted by Centurian:
Hey jtpenrod,
Right now they have athlon 800 w/128m ram for 525 USD. We don't have a Circuit City near me so tell me is that better that than Circuit City is offering?

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We have a nice little hardware place within driving distance of where I live with good prices http://www.jbtech.com/.  For the price on the system you mention above I built a 1.6Ghz Athalon machine with a Soyo Dragon+ motherboard, 512MB RAM, GeForce II GTS w/32MB video card, and floppy drive.

I already had a 19" monitor, a 40GB drive, 52X CD, keyboard and mouse that I moved out of my older machine so that would bring the price up but this thing SCREAMS!!  RedHat 7.2 installed and detected all my hardware (including the onboard sound and Ethernet) in about 15 minutes total from initial bootup from CD.

I run VMWare on this machine and have TWO Sun Solaris x86 servers running in VMWare along with Win98 (as a novelty) and they all screem.  Nothing runs slow. If you full screen the Windows session you would never now that the other 3 OSs are running behind the scenes.  RAM is *cheap* right now.. I would pile as much in as I could.  I got 512MB for $80.  128MB is just too skimpy if you want to do any serious work.

[ December 14, 2001: Message edited by: VoidMain ]

Centurian:
Hey VoidMain,

Good point.

Later
Centurian

jtpenrod:
There's something to be said for walking into a store like Circuit City and walking out with a complete system. (Sometimes I get a little lazy) I looked, found that most places, either on-line or bricks & mortar just offer that God-awful Win XP (if you're lucky(?) they might put Win ME on it for you instead) And there are always some flaw in the complete system (250W PS - too small, no DVD drive, maybe a DVD, but no CD-RW, etc.) Perhaps you could uninstall, jump through all sorts of legal hoops, then, maybe, get a refund from Redmond for Macro$uck software you won't use.

So I decided t'hell with it; I'll just build a new system. (http://www.tomshardware.com - most helpful) I'll also check out that www.jbtech.com site as well. Anyway, thanks guys.

triploop:

quote:I looked, found that most places, either on-line or bricks & mortar just offer that God-awful Win XP (if you're lucky(?) they might put Win ME on it for you instead)
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Ok, that was pretty stupid.  Although this is fuckmicrosoft.com, it has good reasons for what it says.  You however are spouting inane bullshit.  First of all, if you want the best system, you build it yourself.  You can not buy a system from a large vendor and expect best bang for your buck and best performance, options, etc.

Second of all, WinXP is not the root of all evil.  It is merely Win2K with more features, more dos and game support, more driver support, and more overall bloat.  It is nonetheless still based on Windows NT, which was a rather stable operating system and continues to prove so.  Now I'm all for using alternative software, but bashing Microsloth for completely idiotic reasons, is no better than saying "only super-geeks use Linux!".

So what exactly DO you want?  What OS do you want to use?  Do you even know?  You complain about them putting garbage MS software on your system, but what would you use?  Have you ever tried Linux?  If you're even remotely close to a beginner, Linux is most likely not for you!  Although Linux Mandrake 8 may work well, I fail to see why any non-expert computer user would wish to use that as opposed to Windows.  The "standard" user wants to play games, wants something that just works quick and easy, etc.  Winbloze provides the ignorant bliss that most people want.

Whether you want to believe it or not, us people who want to use alternative software are a minority.  ;)   Although, definitely a growing one.

voidmain:

quote:I fail to see why any non-expert computer user would wish to use that as opposed to Windows.[/QB]
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Because you can't *become* an expert computer user  by only using Windows.

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