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« on: 29 August 2003, 13:26 »
As the European vote on software patents looms closer and threatens to impose a grinding halt to software development and innovation, I thought it would be useful to post an update about what's being said by whom and what has been going on to protest the prospective patents law (which is scheduled to be voted on this Monday the 1st of September):

http://uk.gsmbox.com/news/mobile_news/all/97143.gsmbox
 
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Software patents, a danger for development

Various web sites from information technology companies, associations, newspapers and news providers, legal professionals and administrators all over Europe displayed a black band of protest on their own web pages last Wednesday. This page is temporarily closed as a sign of protest against software patents. Many web sites could close if these patents are approved in Europe. Patents on programs can help those who would like to prosecute you for the publication of texts and programs that you yourself have written!.

At the same time, thousands of people coming from various European countries made an appointment to meet in front of the doors of the European Parliament. This week a large representation of scientists from all over the world, and companies operating for technological development showed their disagreement on the pages of magazines and newspapers all over the world. There is not much time. On the first of September, in the European Parliament, the Eurorepresentatives will vote either in favour or against the proposal to modify the current patent legislation. However, money is not the most important issue in this game.


http://www.euractiv.com/cgi-bin/cgint.exe?204&OIDN=1506067&-home=home
 
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Battle over patents for computerised inventions heats up before Parliament vote
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In light of the Parliament's upcoming vote on the patentability of computer-implemented inventions, critics voiced their discontent with the Commission's proposal.



http://www.itworld.com/Man/2687/030828eupatent/
 
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EU software patent plan draws fire
IDG News Service 8/28/03
Laura Rohde, IDG News Service, London Bureau

A group of economists has blasted a proposed European Union (EU) law on software patents, characterizing it as damaging to technological innovation and Europe's software industry. The European Parliament is scheduled to vote on the "patentability of computer-implemented inventions" directive on Monday.

In a highly critical open letter to EU lawmakers issued earlier this week, the group of 12 economists from such European and U.S. institutions as the University of London, the Oxford Internet Institute and Stanford University urged that the directive be rejected in its present form.
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« Reply #1 on: 29 August 2003, 16:06 »
I've just written a short e-mail voicing my concerns to my local MEP's.

If any of you wish to do the same here is a list of all the UK's MEP's

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« Reply #2 on: 29 August 2003, 16:14 »
good luck, guys.

I'm sure that with the battle about to start raging, it won't be long before this becomes an issue overe here in the United States of the Dollar.
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« Reply #3 on: 29 August 2003, 16:41 »
the words "bolted", "gate" and "horse" spring to mind. the USA already voted IN FAVOUR of this outrageous law!
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« Reply #4 on: 30 August 2003, 07:57 »
Sorry Repost... Didn't read the thread ,,,opps

Take a look at this link his is a response from one of the MEP's involved. Don't seem to bad, as long as the admendments have been added.. anyway take a look :

> Cut from slashdot post so take with pinch of salt ...

Dear Charles Goodwin,

Thank you for your correspondence concerning the draft directive on the patentability of computer-implemented inventions.

The European Parliament's Legal Affairs Committee has voted on my report on the directive and there will be continuing debate and further democratic scrutiny before the directive becomes law.

At this early stage of legislative process, it is nonetheless important to establish the facts about what the draft EU directive and what I, as the Parliament's rapporteur, are aiming to achieve in the amendments tabled to the Commission proposal.

It has been suggested that the Parliament's report will for the first time allow the patentability of computer-implemented inventions. This is simply not true. The patenting of computer-implemented inventions is not a new phenomenon. Patents involving the use of software have been applied for and granted since the earliest days of the European Patent Office (EPO). Out of over 110,000 applications received at the EPO in 2001, 16,000 will have dealt with inventions in computer-implemented technologies. Indeed, even without an EU directive, these patents will continue to be filed, not only to the EPO but also to national patent offices.

As you will be aware, in the US and increasingly in Japan, patents have been granted for what is essentially pure software. Some EPO and national court rulings indicate that Europe may be drifting towards extending the scope of patentability to inventions which would traditionally have not been patentable, as well as pure business methods. It is clear that Europe needs a uniform legal approach which draws a line between what can and cannot be patented, and prevents the drift towards the patentability of software per se.

My intention is clear in the amendments tabled and in a new Article 4 in the text, to preclude; the patentability of software as such; the patentability of business methods; algorithms; and mathematical methods. Article 4 clearly states that in order to be patentable, a computer-implemented invention must be susceptible to industrial applications, be new, and involve an inventive step. Moreover I have added a requirement for a technical contribution in order to ensure that the mere use of a computer does not lead to a patent being granted.

Furthermore, the amended directive contains new provisions on decompilation that will assist software developers. While it is not possible to comment on whether any patent application would be excluded from the directive, the directive, as amended, would not permit the patentability of Amazon's 'one-click' method. As far as software itself is concerned, it will not be possible to patent a software product. Software itself will continue to be able to be protected by copyright.

With an EU directive, legislators will have scrutiny over the EPO and national court's decisions. With, in addition, the possibility of having a definitive ruling from the European Court in Luxembourg, thus ensuring a restrictive interpretation of the EU directive and a greater degree of legal certainty in the field of patentability of computer-implemented inventions.

Some concerns have been raised that the directive may have an adverse effect on the development of open source software and small software developers. I support the development of open source software and welcome the fact that the major open-source companies are recording a 50% growth in world-wide shipment of its products.

In the amended proposal, I have imposed a requirement on the Commission to monitor the impact of the directive, in particular its effect on small and medium sized enterprises, and to look at any potential difficulties in respect of the relationship between patent protection of computer-implemented inventions and copyright protection.

Many small companies have given their support to this directive, which will give them more legal certainty as it offers the possibility of protection for their R&D investment, and so assists in spin-off creation and technology transfer and generating new funds for new investments.

Indeed recently, a small ten-person company in an economic black-spot in the UK granted a licence to a US multinational for its voice recognition software patents. Without European patent protection in this field, the small company could have found itself in the perverse situation whereby its R&D efforts and investment would simply have been taken by a large multinational company, who, with its team of patent lawyers, would have filed a patent on this invention. The EU company could have been faced subsequently with patent infringement proceedings.

Some lobbyists would like us to believe that having no patents is an option - it is not. No patents would put EU software developers at a severe disadvantage in the global market place, and would hand over the monopoly on patents to multinational companies.

The work I have done is an honest attempt to approach this matter objectively, and to produce balanced legislation, taking into account the needs and interests of all sectors of the software development industry and small businesses in Europe. No doubt there will be more debate and refinements to the legislation before a final text is agreed under the EU legislation process.

At a time when many of our traditional industries are migrating to Asia and when Europe needs increasingly to rely on its inventiveness to reap rewards, it is important to have the option of the revenue secured by patents and the licensing out of computer-implemented technologies.

Software development is a major European industry. In 1998 alone the value of the EU software market was

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« Reply #5 on: 31 August 2003, 21:41 »
It's the:
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Not the:
UNITED STATES OF THE DOLLAR

I understand your symbolism, but still, other countries are a lot like ours. I think there are more important things to do in this world besides bash the US. (feed starving people, find more ways to help with the AIDs issues in africa, find some way to make peace in iraq, etc)

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« Reply #6 on: 31 August 2003, 21:45 »
Who owns the patents to these things?
FAT,FAT32,Scroll bars,Windows,Buttons,Textboxes,Comboboxes,Sliders,Socket Technology,Listboxes,Desktop,HTTP,HTTPS,FTP,TELNET,SSH,SSL,Web Browsers, The Word Processors, The Paint Utility, etc...........

You aren't serious about all THESE things are you?

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« Reply #7 on: 31 August 2003, 10:37 »
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Originally posted by anphanax:
It's the:
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Not the:
UNITED STATES OF THE DOLLAR

I understand your symbolism, but still, other countries are a lot like ours. I think there are more important things to do in this world besides bash the US. (feed starving people, find more ways to help with the AIDs issues in africa, find some way to make peace in iraq, etc)



Why dosen't the states stop bashing other countries and try

feed starving people, find more ways to help with the AIDs issues in africa, find some way to make peace in iraq, etc

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« Reply #8 on: 31 August 2003, 12:01 »
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It has been suggested that the Parliament's report will for the first time allow the patentability of computer-implemented inventions. This is simply not true.


Yes this isn't "new" but it is a strong extension of the current laws.  If it's not new or an extension there would be no sense in passing it.  (ie it would be a non bill.)

 
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the patentability of business methods; algorithms; and mathematical methods.


edit : my bad misunderstood the email.  she isn't supporting patenting of mathematical methods or business processes, and claims to have put in provisions against that.

 
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Moreover I have added a requirement for a technical contribution in order to ensure that the mere use of a computer does not lead to a patent being granted.


Technical contribution?  This just means that if you worked on something you get to stop all the heathen masses from daring to a:use it to better themselves or b:make their own version.  A free market system relies upon competition, and this undermines the basis of these freedoms.

 
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Furthermore, the amended directive contains new provisions on decompilation that will assist software developers.


Considering the guy who worked out how to "decode" DVD's got put in jail for working out how to read DVD's that he owned, I hope that she means provisions in favor of decompilation - from this the provisions could be against decompilation.  (Software developers from a suit probably means "the guys who are applying for the patent."  The people that wrote the original encoding scheme for DVD's are after all software developers.)

 
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greater degree of legal certainty in the field of patentability of computer-implemented inventions.

FUD.  Legal certainty is used whenever someone wants to claim "this area is legally uncertain!  lets make it certain by dropping a draconian law on it!"

 
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Indeed recently, a small ten-person company in an economic black-spot in the UK granted a licence to a US multinational for its voice recognition software patents. Without European patent protection in this field, the small company could have found itself in the perverse situation whereby its R&D efforts and investment would simply have been taken by a large multinational company, who, with its team of patent lawyers, would have filed a patent on this invention. The EU company could have been faced subsequently with patent infringement proceedings.

Very big FUD.  Notice the amnount of "could haves" and the fact that she has no real prior incidents of this occuring to back up her case?

 
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Some lobbyists would like us to believe that having no patents is an option - it is not. No patents would put EU software developers at a severe disadvantage in the global market place, and would hand over the monopoly on patents to multinational companies.

"Monopolies are OK provided were in on it"

 
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At a time when many of our traditional industries are migrating to Asia and when Europe needs increasingly to rely on its inventiveness to reap rewards, it is important to have the option of the revenue secured by patents and the licensing out of computer-implemented technologies.[/quote[
Note there is no consideration of the customer here, merely of "revenue."

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« Reply #9 on: 31 August 2003, 12:21 »
Hey Faust, anything like this in Australia

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« Reply #10 on: 31 August 2003, 12:31 »
Not that I'm aware of.  In fact given the amount of victa mower clones, hills hoist clones, pennicillin use and vegimite clones I see I'd say we're not a patent happy country.

Also given that our IT minister is the biggest luddite ever it may take him a while to get round to doing anything like this.

The reasons why Senator Richard Alston (IT and communications) says Australia doesn't need broadband:
1) If we put down cables they'll come up with something better in a few years anyway!
2) Porn and gambling are the two reasons for high broadband use in Korea.  (according to him, not me.)
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« Reply #11 on: 2 September 2003, 08:44 »
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Stupid Vote stalled until middle of Sept.

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« Reply #12 on: 2 September 2003, 08:57 »
I also note when you finalize your signature you get the option to receive a newsletter type thing to inform you of future developments.
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