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A peaceful religion?
HibbeeBoy:
quote:Originally posted by Faust:
I do hope we all know the Koran specifically forbids either being an aggressor or even so much as "growing a substance that is harmful to your fellow man." (The taliban used the last to declare that no farmer in afghanistan could grow poppies and killing people who did, thus destroying afghanistans heroin output.)
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Like fuck they did !! They only did it when they were bribed with money from the US government. Not only that, they continued to grow it and turn a blind eye when it suited them. Where do you think the money came from to pay for their Toyota 4x4?
As you imply, there is nothing wrong with the koran and there is nothing wrong with islam, it's the fundamentalist crack pots that hijack it that are the problem.
Laukev7:
quote: i can't tell if laukev is saying that zionism is peaceful or not in the first place.
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Not peaceful.
psyjax:
Ive come to the conclusion that all major organized religion is a form of destructive mind control, that provides an easy means for men to justify their actions, weather good or otherwise.
If there is a God, he likely dosn't care very much what we are running around doing here, considering that we are a very small component of this great universe.
Oh, and no, the Bible nor the Koran have been perverted by men, they are both infact hevely laden with violent self richeous rehtoric.
Don't belive me? Read up on Moses's little rampage in the Desert. Numbers 31:1-17 ought to clear up any missconceptions about the great morals tought in the Bible. For those with out that silly book, here is the passage:
quote:Num 31:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 31:2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
Num 31:3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
Num 31:4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
Num 31:5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of [every] tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
Num 31:6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of [every] tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
Num 31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
Num 31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; [namely], Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
Num 31:9 And the children of Israel took [all] the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
Num 31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
Num 31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, [both] of men and of beasts.
Num 31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which [are] by Jordan [near] Jericho.
Num 31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
Num 31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, [with] the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
Num 31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Num 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Num 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Num 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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This same philosophy reins suppreme today in both the Zionist mindset and in all Fundamental religion. The idea that somehow God likes you a whole lot more than everyone else, and anything you do in his name is hunkey dorie.
Same reason the Isrealies think it's ok to wipe out the palestinians. Hey, what would you think if the founding tenet of your religion is that God gave you that land? That you have devine right to it. Fuckit, kill everyone and take the goods.
Same with Islam and christianity. The list goes on.
[ September 05, 2003: Message edited by: psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax ]
TheQuirk:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
it's sarcasm, but i can't tell what direction it leans because i can't tell if laukev is saying that zionism is peaceful or not in the first place.
also it's even harder to figure out since both israel and the us seem to have an irrational and immoral hatred of the palestinians which is the sole cause of the prolonged situation of tension in the middle east.
(but it keeps oil prices low, yes?)
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Heh. The definition of a zionist:
"A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel."
The word was just misused.
psyjax:
Well, the early Zionist movement is a very interesting topic. They initially had nothing to do with anti-semitism, they simply belived it was their God given right to own israel.
After WWII, the jewish diaspora floked to the zionist movement, and the Anti-semitism card was playd in order to gain worldwide backing for a Jewsih homeland.
Brittain was the first to give a small portion of isreals coastline to the Jews. Using foreign money (mainly US and northern Europe were the bulk of these Jews came from) they slowley bought up palestinian land, farmland, buissnesses etc. The palestinians coulden't compeat with this economic takeover since they were so poor and before they new it the Jews had most of the power and were far overstepping their bundaries.
This culminated in a massive riot which the Brittish army had to quell. The story gets much longer and more horrible than this and you don't have to go far to read it. Just pick up a copy of the Encyclopedia Brittanica and lookup Isreal. It's all there, factual, and ugly, just like it really happend.
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