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AmericanBastard:
Right....
So no talks or attempts to come to manageable terms have been made with Iraq since Desert storm...Ok I gotcha, 10 yrars later, after ignoring them, for those ten years, we just up and invaded...you're right...DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...how mmuch talk you want???
And Afghanistan has been doing the same things since The USSR left in the early 80's...no one ever tried talking to them as they destroyed relevant perices of world history, masacred thousands over fanatic beliefs and oppressed anyone who didn't have exactly the same religeous beliefs as them for 20 years +.
Just a question, how much of a threat, and how many crimes against humanity does a regime have to do before we or any other nation for that matter can decide that the talks are useless...by the topics posted here, it's obviously more than a few hundred thousand deaths over a ten or 20 year period. Not to mention open hostility to neighbors and attempts to become worldwide players, or saturation of the globe with terrorist cells....What would you like to see...
I get it, let me melt down all my guns, convince all my freinds to go awol, and we all just quit. As long as we talk there is no need for a military. I would like to meet you in person, then take you a few places I've been, and let you see what I've seen. You probably would have a different view. Have you ever dealt with an entire culture that believes it's all about being the strongest??? Anything you do could be viewed as a sign of weakness and from the time it's observed you will be treated as an inferior?
How much death over how many years would be adequate to you? Or, as long as it's not you and yours getting killed, is it infinite? Look beyond your own front lawn.
Laukev7:
quote: So no talks or attempts to come to manageable terms have been made with Iraq since Desert storm...
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In fact, that's why we wonder why the Bush regime suddenly wanted to attack them.
quote: 10 yrars later, after ignoring them, for those ten years, we just up and invaded
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Again, why?
quote: And Afghanistan has been doing the same things since The USSR left in the early 80's
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Only because the CIA and the ISI planted them there. By the way, it was the Taleban who chased the USSR out of Afghanistan, and it was precisely for that dirty task that they were created and supported by the CIA.
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/cia-talib.htm
http://www1.minn.net/~nup/6nov2001.htm
quote: Just a question, how much of a threat, and how many crimes against humanity does a regime have to do before we or any other nation for that matter can decide that the talks are useless...by the topics posted here, it's obviously more than a few hundred thousand deaths over a ten or 20 year period. Not to mention open hostility to neighbors and attempts to become worldwide players, or saturation of the globe with terrorist cells....What would you like to see...
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You are absolutely correct. But there's no need yet to attack the United States to get rid of the Bush regime; just voting him and his PNAC goons out of office and bringing them to court should be enough.
quote: convince all my freinds to go awol
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Like George and Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, John Arsecroft and many others have done, you mean?
http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
quote: I would like to meet you in person, then take you a few places I've been, and let you see what I've seen. You probably would have a different view.
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What would that change? I would only be even more disgusted with our western colonnial policies than I already am. The problem with your assessement of the political situation is that you have witnessed all the horrors, but you don't know understand the true cause of the problem.
quote: Have you ever dealt with an entire culture that believes it's all about being the strongest???
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I'm not sure what culture you're talking about.
quote: How much death over how many years would be adequate to you? Or, as long as it's not you and yours getting killed, is it infinite? Look beyond your own front lawn.
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Sometimes the problem lies not beyond the front lawn, but in the backyard.
[ November 14, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
solarismka:
I don't know much about gun laws. but as far as trigger happies are concerned. I think guns are a problem. The U.S. has prooven that on countless occasions.
For crying out loud, they the only people in this day an age to have a trigger happy president. If anything this alone has made america a moving target and maby a just one as well. So quite natrualy if the presedent can't even control himself then what does that tell the world about ordinary citizens?
I'm very glad though that people are just walking around with guns and not carrying WMD. Hay it could be possible... :D
Also, since america seems to be the only country with that law, its also has one of the highest records of homocides. So much of feeling safe eh?
Of course throw John 'voyer' Ashcroft in the mix and America has no real rights in the first place.
Thanks bush!
I'm personaly more worried about the control that M$ has over the dull population.
It seems the computer is more mightier than the gun and with billy g thats alota power!
just my two cents
AmericanBastard:
The problem lies in World complacency and continuing talks over dead issues. I am by no means saying bush will go into the hall of fame...but at least he did something...and something is better than nothing. He risked and acheived political suicide to do what he believed right. Yes, his money is from oil. He probably will set up something to benefit him when he is elected out. That's unethical, and that is also life. The poor and middle class do not have the power, the wealthy do. Always have always will. Democratic governments were created by the wealthy. Maybe to disuade the middles and poor to beleive they actually are making a difference. Guns are legal in America. People die every day in every country by millions of different means. Who cares, honestly. We invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Who cares whomever doesn't like. Even if you don't agree, the real issue isn't what should we have done. It's what are we going to do now. The answer, nothing. We're going to sit and watch as politicians make themselves richer, the poor poorer and keep the middle class thinking they are something. whatever you believe, the only thing that can be done now is rebuild and leave, which we will. Just like Japan and Germany, we will do such a good job, they will threaten our all ready falterring economic strength. Don't worry, America shouldn't be around much longer, name one democracy that's survived more than a couple of thousand years...world society timeline speaking of course, a millenium or two isn't that long.
insomnia:
quote:Originally posted by AmericanBastard:
Right....
Just a question, how much of a threat, and how many crimes against humanity does a regime have to do before we or any other nation for that matter can decide that the talks are useless...
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Look at "Bush & co". After WWII, not a single dictator has done so many crimes against humanity.
Most people just follow "Bush & co" like sheep.
...wir haben es nicht gew
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