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Things you have to believe to be a Republican today
flap:
quote:Just what about conservatism makes it against people's rights and for monopolistic business?
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Well "against people's rights and for monopolistic business" is pretty much the definition of conservatism. Conservative policy is about preserving corporate power and ensuring that there are as few threats as possible to the wealth of the rich. This is predicated on the capitalist's belief that a society in which some have everything and others have nothing is perfectly acceptable.
quote:There is more protest about the death of American troops in this war than in, like, any other, ever. Both World Wars had less opposition, and tons more troops killed. This one really gets to me.
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I doubt many people would have disputed the necessity of the two world wars being fought, or suggested that they were being fought based on lies, oil, or american imperialism.
quote:It doesn't seem very neutral to me
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I didn't suggest it was neutral, just that it isn't necessarily pro-democrat. There are other political parties, you know. And you don't have to like any party to particularly dislike one.
TheGreatPoo:
What part about conservatism does not support disversity and change? Sure, maybe far right wingers are opposed to and are afraid of change, but the vast majority of conservatives support it. We are just more subtle about it and don't flaunt it to get votes.
So, believing in facts and logic is a personality disorder? I can say the same about liberals and their apparent inability to answer direct questions. I listen to talk radio and liberals constantly dance around direct questions that the host asks. Very frustrating. Of course, this is just one of the symptoms of personality disorder that liberals share.
TheGreatPoo:
quote:Well "against people's rights and for monopolistic business" is pretty much the definition of conservatism. Conservative policy is about preserving corporate power and ensuring that there are as few threats as possible to the wealth of the rich. This is predicated on the capitalist's belief that a society in which some have everything and others have nothing is perfectly acceptable.
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Wrong. Please try again.
You seem to only look at the far right wing extremest views. That is not the view shared by average conservatives.
flap:
quote:So, believing in facts and logic is a personality disorder?
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Facts and logic? I assume you're inferring, as most right wingers do, that conservatism is "common sense"? What's factual or logical about conservatives' non-sensical views? Like protecting the rights of big business at the expense of the rest of society, restricting sexual and personal freedom, responding to complex problems like crime or terrorism with reactionary and unthinking measures like increased police powers or war, promoting religion over science and reason, patriotism/nationalism etc?
Look at Bush; the textbook right-winger. He goes to war with Iraq on the most flimsy premise possible; he continuously spouts rhetoric about "freedom" in his speeches but in his own country he's authorised draconian measures like the patriot act, and wants homosexuality banned; he calls himself "pro-life" because he doesn't like women being able to choose to abort unborn babies, yet in Texas he executed more people than any other governor. And his justification for all of this? His "God" told him to do it. If you can make any of this sound like "common sense" or "logic" then you'd make a brilliant spin doctor.
And if conservatism isn't all that then what is it? What does conservatism mean to you?
quote:Of course, this is just one of the symptoms of personality disorder that liberals share.
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I don't think so. But then I'm not a liberal either.
[ December 05, 2003: Message edited by: flap ]
Laukev7:
quote: he calls himself "pro-life" because he doesn't like women being able to choose to abort unborn babies
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Ahem. I agree with most of your gripes against Bush, and I hate religion myself, but abortion is a much more complex issue than a question of religion. As a science student, I am against abortion, and not because 'my god says so'.
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