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Socialist or immature
billy_gates:
quote: Why don't you move to South Korea or Shanghi?
There you can fight with the other greedy retards and stab each other in the back to you capitalist heart's content.
Capitalism is a fault, what you think of as a capital/social "mix" is only the majority paying to keep capitalism going (See Keynes).
The organisation of society to keep a few in excess while the majority go without is insane.
Capitalism is not the best system, it is not the only system. It is the system of a primate and quite barbric peoples who respond to greed and reaction rather than reason - if you think capitalism is good or the sole option you are only displaying your own shameful ignorance.
Capitalism 's saving grace is it has the seeds of it's own destruction and the cure is socialism - red or dead is the future.
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Why the hell would I move out of our capitalistic government and into their capitalistic government?
Like Siplus said, we are primates, and I do not stab "everyone" in the back, only the people that deserve it.
I don't see how capitalism seeds its own destruction either, it seems its the opposite, several countries have tried to achieve socialism and have failed, democracy and capitalism have won.
The idea that the minority are rich and the majority are poor, is not because of capitalism. It is because of people's laziness. That is why our government should be less socialistic, we give the poor people too much stuff, they don't work for it because we give it to them.
Siplus:
quote: Like Siplus said, we are primates, and I do not stab "everyone" in the back, only the people that deserve it
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uh, one of the things i'm trying to point out here is that not all capitalists enjoy 'stabbing' other people in the back. obviously some do. i thank you for agreeing with me, but we shouldn't double cross everyone just b/c we may not like them... one of the points "they" are making is that socialists won't backstab each other
quote: The idea that the minority are rich and the majority are poor, is not because of capitalism. It is because of people's laziness. That is why our government should be less socialistic, we give the poor people too much stuff, they don't work for it because we give it to them.
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i completely agree. that's one reason i don't like the US's welfare program. some people can live their entire lives on the tax dollars of the entire public. i agree that we should have a welfare system, but it should not be that easy to receive government funds
zoolooo:
Opps, I meant primative not primate.
Capitalists and stabbing - basically you can't make money without exploitation.
Stop welfare and you'll have a revolution, that's why there is welfare.
Capitalism... seeds... destruction... the price of capital good outpaces the price of consumer goods = recession (depression). That you don't know this shows you do not even know what you are supporting, which is no surprise.
Sudden Socialism would not work. Russia for example was much the same under the Czar as it was with Stalin and is still a state dictatorship of secret police and censorship. So it needs evolution not revolution. (Only now the poor are really poor)
As a species we are geting smarter (standing on a giant's shoulders we see further) as we get smarter the present way we conduct our affairs now will become absurd.
Capitalism is not civilised.
zooloo
BTW, Capitalists, how much is your capital and how did you get it?
slave:
quote:The idea that the minority are rich and the majority are poor, is not because of capitalism. It is because of people's laziness. That is why our government should be less socialistic, we give the poor people too much stuff, they don't work for it because we give it to them.
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I'm sorry, but there are a *lot* of hard working poor people in the States. Another thing, why does anyone need to be a billionaire? Even if you worked harder than anyone else, I can't imagine that you'd ever need that much money. And don't even get me started on the US businesses that outsource their operations to 3rd world countries so they can get away with paying the people pennies a day...
[ March 15, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]
Siplus:
quote: Stop welfare and you'll have a revolution, that's why there is welfare
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i didn't mean to stop welfare, i'm sorry if i mislead you. i mean that welfare should only be for a short period of time. i do NOT want some jackass who doesn't want to work to live off of my tax money. i DO WANT WELFARE for the honest person unemployeed, for a period of time that is reasonable to find a new job, because we all know people lose their jobs for various reasons, and it's not always their fault
quote: As a species we are geting smarter (standing on a giant's shoulders we see further) as we get smarter the present way we conduct our affairs now will become absurd.
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i beleive that the amount of knowledge the human race has is always increasing, but (and i feel like i'm repeating myself way too much here) the gap of the populus's intelligence is growing larger then the gap between the "rich minority and poor majority." the majority of our society is by far less intelligent then any of us here.
quote: Capitalism is not civilised.
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i do not see how it capitialism is not civilised. as far as i know, we don't have public beheadings. i can not possible understand how you can say capitialism is not civilised!! GIVE me reasons, EXPLAIN yourself!!!!!
quote: I'm sorry, but there are a *lot* of hard working poor people in the States
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i agree. but most hard working people are not poor. if you work hard, then *generally* you do well. look in the communist countries, they are far worce off then people in the US or other capitalist states
quote: Another thing, why does anyone need to be a billionaire?
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you are right, no one needs to be a billionare. that is a hell of a lot of money, and they will never be able to spend it all. but the great thing about capitalism is: you have the FREEDOM to become one if you can. the hard part is being able to figure out how
[ March 15, 2003: Message edited by: Siplus: linux advocate ]
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