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Socialist or immature
slave:
quote:But I tell you, I aspire to become as rich and powerful as he [Bill Gates] is.
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Ewwwwww!
I'm majoring in computer science. But I do *not* want to be like Bill Gates, ever. I'd rather be a waiter for a living than that. What I do want to do, however, is help spread the message of free software and social freedom to share information. Why would I want to help the public; I mean, what's in it for me? The answer is that as a member of society I'm acting in both my own interest and the interest of everyone else. Only a capitalist would make such an either-or statement "Either I act like a selfish cunt or help society!" Like it or not, you're part of society.
I don't know what this greed syndrome is all about. It all seems self-destructive in the end. I never want to be rich. If I ever became rich somehow, I'd give most of my money away to needy people. All I want, basically, is good food, clean air, freedom and love. (and a decent internet connection) Everyone on Earth should and can have that. Ever wonder why there's crime in the US? I mean, we're such a rich country, why do people do it? Even millionaires are criminals (in fact, a lot are) The reason is that people don't understand what's important. Money isn't important. Drugs, cars, bling bling, none of that is important.
Socialism doesn't mean nobody can have gamecubes, computers, software etc. Under socialism, people can work to make those things if they wanted to, though. Socialist or not, it takes the same amount of work. Actually it would take less work because corporate combat would be eliminated from the scene, replaced with the spirit of cooperation for the common good. If everyone in the US were to suddenly go socialist, we could all work less and yet have even more "goodies" than we had before. And people would still work, even so-called "lazy" people. After all, everyone has an interest in *something* It's just that money would no longer be the object, the end result -- more cars, devices, computers, gizmos, toys, technology -- would. And we could all agree to have 4 day work weeks ;)
zoolooo:
quote:Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
...but I still cannot find a reason to work harder for the common good.
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Strange. What then is your reason for working harder to keep people like Bill Gates rich?
A reason for working to the common good is that you would be better off than you are now.
zooloo
[ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: zoolooo ]
billy_gates:
quote:Originally posted by zoolooo:
Strange. What then is your reason for working harder to keep people like Bill Gates rich?
[ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: zoolooo ]
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I don't work harder to keep people like him rich, I just want to be rich. If it would help I would cheat him out of his money just as he has done to everyone else. Not for everyone esle of course, but for me, so I can have that money instead of him.
quote:Socialism doesn't mean nobody can have gamecubes, computers, software etc. Under socialism, people can work to make those things if they wanted to
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I thought you guys just said that working for things for your own personal betterment was against socialism. So the only way I could see someone having a gamecube or a nice car would be if everyone had it, or an equvilant. Thats impossible, for all of the, what 5 bilion, people on this earth to have everything that everyone else has? What, then, would be the point of having cool stuff if everyone had it, it would then not be cool.
Also, according to your statement in socialism, you work for the common good, then if you want extras you can work more on the side. Why would I work for everyone esle, then for me, when I could work only for me and no one else? Therefore reducing my workload?
slave:
quote: I thought you guys just said that working for things for your own personal betterment was against socialism. So the only way I could see someone having a gamecube or a nice car would be if everyone had it, or an equvilant. Thats impossible, for all of the, what 5 bilion, people on this earth to have everything that everyone else has? What, then, would be the point of having cool stuff if everyone had it, it would then not be cool.
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I never said that. I said that working *only* for your own "betterment" and ignoring everyone else or even stepping on their toes to get what you want is wrong. Socialism is the ONLY real way to better yourself in my opinion. I never said that nobody can have something until everyone can have it either. That wouldn't work for obvious reasons. What would work is to let people choose what they wanted if there was a scarcity of resources, sort of like having an allowance. Not everyone would choose to "spend" their allowance on a gamecube, but some would. I guarantee you just as many people would have them however. However, in socialism we should concern ourselves with more important public issues before we think about toys like that. There should be not one homeless person in the country before we start to think about video games.
Anyway, what's so "uncool" about everyone having video game systems? This mentality of "I have something you don't; I'm better than you" has to stop.
[ March 18, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]
zoolooo:
quote:Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
I thought you guys just said that working for things for your own personal betterment was against socialism...
Why did you think this? it is an absurd statement.
What, then, would be the point of having cool stuff if everyone had it, it would then not be cool.
This is one of the most stupid statememnts I have ever encountered. You have a sad ideal of value, simply based on "I got you aint!"
Also, according to your statement in socialism, you work for the common good, then if you want extras you can work more on the side. Why would I work for everyone esle, then for me, when I could work only for me and no one else? Therefore reducing my workload?
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