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Socialist or immature
billy_gates:
you think the rich people got rich by spending all of their money. Maybe this is a message to people in debt.
And rich people do spend money, more than poor people do, just not a greater percent. They buy their ferraries and boats and aircraft carriers. They buy big houses which has a super direct impact on the uneducated. Not only does it give lots of construction workers jobs, it also makes all of the houses around that house worth more. I'm sure you've heard of the trickle down effect. When Rich people get more money, they spend it, they have no reason to save it. When they spend it, it goes to the poor people who work, not the poor people who don't work. See, the richers tax money goes to people that don't work and live for free.
slave:
Ya I'm sure all the workers who built Bill Gates' gigantic house got paid real well. I've got a better idea: eliminate this system of exploitation that lets people get "rich" in the first place.
And as for people on welfare, they don't do so well. I live in a very poor rural neighborhood on a dirt road and most of the people around live in little shacks and don't work because they have no freakin' education, and no motivation. Nobody cares about them, just enough to give them some food stamps so they won't starve to death. Of course they never spend food stamps on condoms and keep having more kids, who also end up losers, sitting on the front porch evey morning in rags drinking beer for breakfast. I imagine a country where social engineering would make such a class of people obsolete.
zoolooo:
quote:Originally posted by Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain:
I'm sure you've heard of the trickle down effect.
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Yes, and I hear it doesn't work. If you have examples of where "trickle down" is effective please give them. You won't because you can't
Why not "trickle up"?
BTW. Capitalists... how much is your capital and how did you get it?
zooloo
billy_gates:
quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
And as for people on welfare, they don't do so well. I live in a very poor rural neighborhood on a dirt road and most of the people around live in little shacks and don't work because they have no freakin' education, and no motivation. Nobody cares about them, just enough to give them some food stamps so they won't starve to death. Of course they never spend food stamps on condoms and keep having more kids, who also end up losers, sitting on the front porch evey morning in rags drinking beer for breakfast. I imagine a country where social engineering would make such a class of people obsolete.
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That is the exact reason I don't support welfare, they should be allowed to starve to death if they don't work.
I also hate the idea of not letting people get rich. being rich is something people work for. Most don't achieve it, but for the few who do, bravo, I aspire to become rich like you. Even if I have to knock a couple people out of the way, they should have done it to me first. Even if I lived in a socialist society I would slow everyone down to make me look better. I think many others would say the same. You guys here are a minority, people would be stepping all over you because of your "big hearts and want for free stuff" but don't you see, you want to hurt others, you want to take all rich people's riches away. That is hurting someone just as bad as a rich person screwing some poor person over. The rich person worked for his or her money, even if they did it in an unfair way. Luck was on their side.
quote:Yes, and I hear it doesn't work.
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Well lets look at it from a rich person point of view. (when I say I, I am referring to a rich person, not to myself)
I make $500,000 a year. The government takes 40% away, that leaves me with $300,000. Now they raise taces to 50%, I know only have $250,000 to play around with. I'm just gonna take a pay cut because I am a nice person and my laborers are hard working. Fuck No. I now have 3 choices. Raise Product Price to the consumer. Cut spending (Layoffs.) Or squeeze more time out of them (longer hours, less pay, less vacation, etc.) Raising prices is the easiest but we lose competitive advantage. Squeezing doesn't always work and is very difficult. That leaves me with Layoffs. There is something easy. Fire $50,000 worth of people and machinery. Perfect. While I'm at it, why not take add a little extra to my wallet.
That is how the trickle down works.
[ March 26, 2003: Message edited by: Billy Gates: Mac Comrade Captain ]
slave:
Here's some RMS quotes that I think are kind of relavent to this discussion:
"We like to think that our society encourages helping your neighbor; but each time we reward someone for obstructionism, or admire them for the wealth they have gained in this way, we are sending the opposite message.
Software hoarding is one form of our general willingness to disregard the welfare of society for personal gain. We can trace this disregard from Ronald Reagan to Jim Bakker, from Ivan Boesky to Exxon, from failing banks to failing schools. We can measure it with the size of the homeless population and the prison population. The antisocial spirit feeds on itself, because the more we see that other people will not help us, the more it seems futile to help them. Thus society decays into a jungle.
If we don't want to live in a jungle, we must change our attitudes. We must start sending the message that a good citizen is one who cooperates when appropriate, not one who is successful at taking from others. I hope that the free software movement will contribute to this: at least in one area, we will replace the jungle with a more efficient system which encourages and runs on voluntary cooperation."
[ March 26, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]
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