Miscellaneous > The Lounge

Socialist or immature

<< < (17/17)

cymon:
Rights don't come from property, and that's for a good reason. Having more property inevitabily gives you more rights, making it unfair for the poorer citizens who would end up with less rights. The poor can't do anything to improve, and get fucked over by 1800's capitilism. Rights come from citizenship, and that's how it should be.

WMD:

--- Quote from: cymon ---Rights don't come from property, and that's for a good reason. Having more property inevitabily gives you more rights, making it unfair for the poorer citizens who would end up with less rights.
--- End quote ---

Incorrect.  You're taking it too literally.  If I go out and buy 10,000 of something expensive, I don't suddenly have the right to do stuff like kill people.  I merely obtain rights to whatever that stuff is.  You own your body, hence you have the right to do...um...we'll say "stuff" to it.  And so on in that direction.  Otherwise, you have people dictating what I can do with my stuff...which is what happens in communism.


--- Quote ---Rights come from citizenship, and that's how it should be.
--- End quote ---

Also incorrect.  If rights came from citizenship, it sounds like the government gave you your rights.  But that's not possible - you can't be given a right by somebody, that would be a privilege.  You simply have rights.  In fact, even people in countries where they don't have rights actually have them, they are just being violated by the government.

Pathos:
Nothing wrong with capitalism?

I assume most people associate their arguments with the USA.

Capitalism is only a economic system, Government intervention on behalf of the people is required to keep society in check. Especially to make sure that rights/social power are not dependent on assets.

In the USA this is definitely not happening. Partly due to government and partly society.

Dark_Me:

--- Quote from: Pathos ---Capitalism is only a economic system, Government intervention on behalf of the people is required to keep society in check. Especially to make sure that rights/social power are not dependent on assets.
--- End quote ---
If there is government intervention then it's not capitalism. Capitalism is based on a "free" market model. Essentally the theory (which has been proven not to work) is that the government does't interfear except in the case of a monopoly and the maket just basically sorts everything else out.

Pathos:

--- Quote from: Dark_Me ---If there is government intervention then it's not capitalism. Capitalism is based on a "free" market model. Essentally the theory (which has been proven not to work) is that the government does't interfear except in the case of a monopoly and the maket just basically sorts everything else out.

--- End quote ---

thats sought of what I was inferring. Government intervention is required because capital theory does not work on its own.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[*] Previous page

Go to full version