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Whats with this protesting European Patenting Stuff?
rtgwbmsr:
Wow...I didn't even know about this until I wandered onto this site again...
billy_gates:
this thread has now gone way off topic...
first it was protesting... then i'm a communist... then I was hitler... then capitalism... then America in general.
quote:When things turn around, and society is made to serve the businesses, competition is crushed in courts by expensive lawyers, and the right to 'innovate' is bought, sold, traded and fought over, capitalism fails. When new business are crushed even before they begin because one group owns a business method, the principals upon which capitalism was founded is crushed as well.
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if one company has so much power that they can eliminate another company in a heart beat... so be it. I don't seem to know of a real true monopoly in the US.
MS - Apple
Ford - GM
Haliburton - Bectle
etc etc
quote:What a piece of shit way to live it's created. I have to work TWO GODDAMN JOBS these days to even live. I can barely afford to put gas in my car. Putting food on the table is even harder. Keeping bills balanced is Hell... for the last week, I've been taking showers at a friend's place because we COULDN'T PAY THE WATER BILL this month because WE DIDN'T MAKE ENOUGH BECAUSE OF PAY CUTS AT BOTH MY JOBS. (before anyone mentions my recent tech spending, that's because of my grandma getting me ready for school)
Both companies posted higher earnings and profits, but my pay went down. Yeah, good 'ol ass-sucking, cumguzzling capitalfuckingism.
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Maybe stuff is so expensive because minimum wage is so high now. In the 60's stuff was cheaper (even when inflation is calculated) Back then minimum wage was lower. People didn't always request to have health care and a 401k. Now of course a lot of the money is going to the peeps at the top. But they are at the top.... is is their job to make themselves richer. If you have such a big problem with ur emplyers... quit. Stop working for them.
quote:I, personally can condone taking money from the rich to provide health care. As long as it's not inhibting their ability to survive, then, so be it. If it were to severely cut into their cash-flow, then, that *is* unfair. In society, each person must contribute. Laborers contribute THEIR LIVES to working in factories for low pay and shitty benefits. Unions came along and helped that, but now the corps are outlawing unions, firing people who bring up the subject, and trying to make unionizing illegal in certain industries. YEAH! CAPITALISM HELPING OUT THE LABORERS.
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I can't condone taking money from the people who have it and getting hald of it lost in uselss beurocracy. Then giving the other half to people who should get their own. Unions also bother me, they are designed to give the worker more over time, for doing nothing more. Small business people don't get paid more over time for no reason. I don't see why those people should.
quote:Then there's the middle class, the part of society I'm so lucky to have been born into. We're the ones who have the most to fear. We're the ones who get the pink slips when profits slip .5% and we're the ones who pay the highest taxes in the U.S. and the ones who really get reamed ALL THE MOTHERFUCKING TIME. We're the ones who work for 20 years to send our kids to college so that they can work for 30 years to send their kids to college, so that they, in turn can work for FIFTY YEARS to send their kids to a half-rate tech school. Capitalism at work for me and you, buddy. Those corporate execs lookin' out for us. I guess they don't want us to worry about having too much money. They probably figure we wouldn't know what to do if we had anything like financial stability or such asinine things like feelings of security and safety.
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the middle class does have the highest taxes to money ratio. Cus we are usually borderline between in the "Rich" tax area and the "middle tax area" You complain about working to send ur kids to college. At least you have the opportunity to do so. The laborers might not have that chance. Just remember that the rich people were poor at one time. and they did exactly wut u are doing now.
quote:I pay $1.85 a gallon for gas. Why? Because we went to war to free up oil deposits. That means we have more oil! More gasoline! Cheaper gas? NOOOOOOOO! Texaco and Shell and those goat-groping assraiders couldn't ream us then. We have a surplus so PRICES GO EVEN HIGHER! Thanks again to Mr. Bush and the Pigopolists... AND ALL HAIL CAPITALISM!
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I havn't heard anything about excess or stuff... but the people at the top are profiting and I still have to pay too much for gas. Lets make it like the 60's 30 cents for premium... 20ft long cadillacs... then I will be happy
Now as I said... I'm done with this thread.
These are my beliefs. I am a very cynical person with very few morals and the belief that all people are evil. What else could you expect from me? I am also from Orange County, CA... as Jimmy put it... "the richest and most wasteful part of the richest and most wasteful country in the world"
and I'm proud of it. So, I'll continue to drive my SUV and look for a muscle to purchase.
You just can't expect me to be a humanitarian. I live to make money... then enjoy life.
hm_murdock:
Re: gas... how can they not use the argument that they're profiting from volume?
270,000,000 americans
typical home has 2 automobiles. some have one, some have none, some have four or five. today, most of those vehicles are gas-guzzlers. people drive vehicles that are too big and too inefficient for them. a single dude doesn't need a suburban to commute to and from work. if he's got twelve other dudes in there with him going to work, that's efficient. we already talked about this online, though, but I have to say it for the benefit of the forum...
There's a reason that the rest of the country is buying fuel-efficient foreign autos. Our minimum wage is 5.50, not seven something. Our cost of living is lower, but our gas is nearly as high as yours out in CA. We're sick of spending $35 or $40 at the pump.
Something's gotta give, and right now, it's the american auto industry. their seeming inability to produce fuel-efficient cars and trucks is going to hurt them. Guys get Nissan X-Terras (god what an ugly box) and they get nearly 30MPG, while other dudes get Tahoes and get 12MPG.
Who's *really* better off? The guy with the giant fancy pants truck, or the guy who spends around half as much for a better quality vehicle that uses less gas?
I wish I were rich so that I could understand the economics of "wasting money" :D
billy_gates:
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy James is COOL:
Something's gotta give, and right now, it's the american auto industry. their seeming inability to produce fuel-efficient cars and trucks is going to hurt them. Guys get Nissan X-Terras (god what an ugly box) and they get nearly 30MPG, while other dudes get Tahoes and get 12MPG.
I wish I were rich so that I could understand the economics of "wasting money" :D
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thats the best you could come up with... you really are not familiar with the economics of wasting money (for pleasure).
Your best example was a pickup that got 12mpg... a pickup having a function other than driving. When I said wasting money (on AIM) I meant a Pontiac GTO or Dodge Charger with a 7, 8, or 9 Litre engine (427, 502, 545 cu in... which is how engines should be rated) that gets 8-5 mpg. And has no utility, its a car. I would be quite happy if the American Auto Industry went by by. I hate their shitty as cars. I just hope they don't bring the European companies that they own down with them. (My family has no American cars, we have British SUV's... but by no means are they efficient... 14mpg, but they are small, smaller than a nissan maxima in all directions except up. Shorter than the Ferrari Enzo.)
C'mon Jimmy. I know you can do better next time.
But JJ is right... minimum wage here is 7.60. Cost of living is INFINITELY higher, but gas is not as big a gouge. I still wish it were 30 cents for premium though.
[ September 04, 2003: Message edited by: jeffberg: Mac Capitalist ]
suselinux:
quote:Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:
thats the best you could come up with... you really are not familiar with the economics of wasting money (for pleasure).
Your best example was a pickup that got 12mpg... a pickup having a function other than driving. When I said wasting money (on AIM) I meant a Pontiac GTO or Dodge Charger with a 7, 8, or 9 Litre engine (427, 502, 545 cu in... which is how engines should be rated) that gets 8-5 mpg. And has no utility, its a car. I would be quite happy if the American Auto Industry went by by. I hate their shitty as cars. I just hope they don't bring the European companies that they own down with them. (My family has no American cars, we have British SUV's... but by no means are they efficient... 14mpg, but they are small, smaller than a nissan maxima in all directions except up. Shorter than the Ferrari Enzo.)
C'mon Jimmy. I know you can do better next time.
But JJ is right... minimum wage here is 7.60. Cost of living is INFINITELY higher, but gas is not as big a gouge. I still wish it were 30 cents for premium though.
[ September 04, 2003: Message edited by: jeffberg: Mac Capitalist ]
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