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Whats with this protesting European Patenting Stuff?
hm_murdock:
dude! I thought that hanging out here and associating with people like me would show you... PROTESTS ARE COOL!
See, the protest needs to become real. There needs to be picketing and speeches and the like to go along with this, but nobody ever organizes that. Business and the government don't see the Internet as "real", except when it's convenient for them. Therefore, an internet protest means nothing. We need real protests in the streets, telling them what is meant and what the consequences of failure are.
We need a way for the people to censure government and business FOR REAL. "voting with wallets" isn't enough... if business is going to be the 5th branch of government (right behind the military) then they need a way to be FULLY ACCOUNTABLE for their fuckups.
What say you guys? A system where the people could vote that a business be disbanded? Their assets seized, distributed among the community? Their executives incarcerated, and while behind bars, have to pay for their former employees to live?
I LIKE THIS IDEA AND YOU SHOULD TOO.
Faust:
quote:God damn it, I don't like Protestors. They don't get anything done, and their protests almost always turn out violent and dangerous.
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Yeah fuck that Ghandi guy. Fucking hippy. So you're saying that even if we believe that something wrong is happening that we should just shut up and wait four years to let it keep happening? Are you saying the Jews should have just "shut up and vote like normal people" when the Nazi regime came along? What happens when a government doesn't care about a minorities vote? Should black people in America have just "shut up and voted" about segregation even though they knew they were in a minority? What about those black and or jewish Florida residents who got excluded from voting because Bush didn't want them to? They can't vote should they protest? What about Iraqis who have no right to vote? Protesting allowed by his majesty then?
Unlike you you little Hitler fucktard I've actually been to protests. "Usually turn violent" my fucking arse, get a clue.
Faust:
quote:When it comes to business there is only one way to vote. With your wallet.
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What about poor people you fuck? And isn't not buying Microsoft products (voting with your wallet) a kind of protest? Like suse said, you're a "good American." Not much of a moralist though.
Pissed_Macman:
quote:What say you guys? A system where the people could vote that a business be disbanded? Their assets seized, distributed among the community? Their executives incarcerated, and while behind bars, have to pay for their former employees to live?
I LIKE THIS IDEA AND YOU SHOULD TOO.
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I like it, but this would not solve our microsoft problems since the majority of americans aren't aware of how dangerous MS is. Also, if people in America did manage to get MS disbanded, think of the reprecussions that would have on other countries, especially with Microsoft. It wouldn't work, but it would be nice if it did.
Baikonur:
quote: Yeah fuck that Ghandi guy. Fucking hippy. So you're saying that even if we believe that something wrong is happening that we should just shut up and wait four years to let it keep happening? Are you saying the Jews should have just "shut up and vote like normal people" when the Nazi regime came along? What happens when a government doesn't care about a minorities vote? Should black people in America have just "shut up and voted" about segregation even though they knew they were in a minority? What about those black and or jewish Florida residents who got excluded from voting because Bush didn't want them to? They can't vote should they protest? What about Iraqis who have no right to vote? Protesting allowed by his majesty then?
Unlike you you little Hitler fucktard I've actually been to protests. "Usually turn violent" my fucking arse, get a clue.
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Right the fuck on.
Protests prevent the government from impinging too deeply on the rights of citizens in the geopolitical matrix.
A quote that supports (rather, immortalizes) the concept of individuals "going against the grain" as a BOLSTER to the advance of human kind, rather than a barrier:
"Thousands of years ago, the first man discovered how to make fire. He was probably burned at the stake he had taught his brothers to light. He was considered an evildoer who had dealt with a demon mankind dreaded. But thereafter men had fire to keep them warm, to cook their food, to light their caves. He had left them a gift they had not conceived and he had lifted darkness off the earth. Centuries later, the first man invented the wheel. He was probably torn on the rack he had taught his brothers to build. He was considered a transgressor who ventured into forbidden territory. But thereafter, men could travel past any horizon. He had left them a gift they had not conceived and he had opened the roads of the world.
"That man, the unsubmissive and first, stands in the opening chapter of every legend mankind has recorded about its beginning. Prometheus was chained to a rock and torn by vultures--because he had stolen the fire of the gods. Adam was condemned to suffer--because he had eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge. Whatever the legend, somewhere in the shadows of its memory mankind knew that its glory began with one and that that one paid for his courage.
"Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision. Their goals differed, but they all had this in common: that the step was first, the road new, the vision unborrowed, and the response they received--hatred. The great creators--the thinkers, the artists, the scientists, the inventors--stood alone against the men of their time. Every great new thought was opposed. Every great new invention was denounced. The first motor was considered foolish. The airplane was considered impossible. The power loom was considered vicious. Anesthesia was considered sinful. But the men of unborrowed vision went ahead. They fought, they suffered and they paid. But they won."
--Ayn Rand
Full quote here.
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