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avello500:
lmao.
i had it together (reasonably) before i read this post. now im totally confused. but thats alright.

sime:
Oh dear,

they are all the same these idiots, Windows is marvelous, Linux is rubbish blah, blah, blah...

Ok so you go frag em Stryker... here is some suitable ammo.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=windowsbbs.com

If $MS Windows is so good perhaps they should host their site on NT and IIS NOT Linux and Apache, but then they would have to pay real money for that.

Oooh look they have Front Page extensions running, so bloody tempting for your average hacker   :D  ... Dorks!

Later

Sime

Zombie9920:

quote:Originally posted by Stryker:


some have, most haven't. and those who have, used an old version and given up. similar to how i've only used a mac classic and haven't used a mac since.
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I've used Linux. I've used it numerous times(including some of the most recent Mandrake, Redhat and SuSe distros). Linux is getting better, but I still come back to Windows. Why? Because every piece of software that I use on a daily basis doesn't run natively in Linux(alot of it won't even run emulated in bullshit like Wine/WineX).

I like the Windows interface better. My music sounds better in Windows due to the fact that the media players for Windows have better audio enhancements. Even the standard "Play Control" audio adjuster that comes with Windows gives me more options to make my audio sound better than anything I've seen in Linux. The Linux equivalent to "Play Control" doesn't even let me adjust my bass and treble. On crappy speakers something like that doesn't matter. On 6.1 surround sound speakers it makes a world of difference.

I'm not even going to get into 3D audio support(lack of) in Linux(like Advanced HD EAX, Aureal A3D emulation on the Audigy 2, etc.). Where is the soundfont support for Linux? Where is the Environmental Audio/Reverb support in Linux(for everything...including Audio CD's, MP3's, etc.)? Where is the voice changer in Linux? My opinion is Linux audio support is just basic(it sucks).  

Why in hell do I have a DirectX 9 videocard(GeForce FX5900 Ultra) if Linux doesn't even support DirectX? Yes, DirectX is a better API than OpenGL. DirectX has more capabilites(Pixel shaders, Vertex Shaders, Advanced Pixel Shaders, Enviromental Bumpmapping, etc.) that in the end produces better graphics when utilized.

Why is it, when I try to install a driver in Linux it takes alot more effort to get it working than it does in Windows? Why is it such a pain in the ass to install software in Linux? I want to be able to run an installer and have the software ready to go after it is installed. In Linux you have to go to the Konsole and do extra configuring after running an RPM(to get the files unpacked to the proper location) to get the fucking software to work.

Example, it took me over an hour to get MPlayer working in Linux. In Windows, something like Winamp, Windows Media Player 9, Foobar, Real Player, Quicktime, etc. is installed and ready to use in a matter of seconds with a few simple mouse clicks.

I have a lot more quirks about Linux that I'd like to list but I'm tired and I'm ready to get some sleep so it will have to wait until later. ;P

To make a long story short. Hardware support in Linux is good enough to get you by....it is basic...you don't get the cool extra features out of your hardware(the features you paid for when you bought the hardware). The hardware driver installation method in Linux could use alot of refinement(needs to be made easier like it is in Windows). The software installation methods need to be re-thought up..and Linux could definatley use mainstream software support. Linux is good for the hobbyists, it isn't good for people who don't have alot of time to spend configuring thier computer anytime they want to get work done(or play when they are taking a break from thier work).

FYI - I don't need an OS that runs on a 200mhz 586, 32MB of Ram and 3 gig(PIO mode 4) hard drive because I have a 3ghz+ CPU (P4 2.4c ghz, HT enabled, 800mhz FSB o/ced to 3.12ghz)w/512MB of Ram(2x256MB DDR400 Dimms in a Dual Channel DDR configuration), 2x100GB ATA133 IDE hard drives(in RAID0), a 80GB ATA133 IDE drive and a 80GB Serial ATA hard drive(using an Asus P4P800 Deluxe motherboard..i865PE w/ICH5R chipset and PAT enabled) in this box. A 1.5gb Windows installation doesn't even make a dent in my drive space. The processes running in Windows doesn't even make my system flinch because I have plenty of Ram and it is fast, fast, fast(I'm getting about 6gbps of bandwidth out of my Ram). My system is not slow by any means and Windows doesn't run slow at all. Honestly, I need something that will tax my system more than what Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 can. I guess I'll have to wait until Longhorn. ;P


Nowadays people shouldn't even bitch about how big Windows is getting because storage is so cheap. It is less than a $1 per GB anymore. Ram is dirt cheap anymore. High speed CPU's aren't all that expensive anymore. This isn't the mid 90's anymore people.

(EDIT)Ain't it perty? ;P



[ August 24, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]

sime:
"I've used Linux. I've used it numerous times(including some of the most recent Mandrake, Redhat and SuSe distros). Linux is getting better, but I still come back to Windows. Why? Because every piece of software that I use on a daily basis doesn't run natively in Linux(alot of it won't even run emulated in bullshit like Wine/WineX). "

Such as?

"I like the Windows interface better.My music sounds better in Windows....."

Another Windows user who misses the point. We are Linux users, we are part of a community. If you are not satisfied with what is available then do something about it. That would mean either editing the current code or writing your own and CONTRIBUTING your efforts to the community instead of winging about the lack of support for those things you conceder to be important.

As for the GUI interface. Don't even attempt to make a comparison between the Windows GUI and X

X is a protocol that runs on port(s) 6000 - 6063 aka an X Server http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/ip/ports06000.htm

The windows GUI is a hard coded fact of life that you can't turn off regardless, more to the point you can't redirect the GUI to an alternative machine, and PC Anywhere / VNC are NOT the same thing . On Unix based systems I can manage multiple machines simply by exporting the display to the machine I am logged on to and then either running up an application or actually starting X itself.

If you don't like KDE, Gnome, Enlightenment or one of the other numerous GUI's then write a new one and show us mere mortals how it should be done.

As for you can't do graphics in Linux really are you sure about that, yeh positive? Perhaps you shoud go watch "Titanic" or "Star Wars - Attack Of The Clones" (And many others) Personally I thought the graphics were state of the art at the time and jaw droppingly good. Strange how they were all created on Linux systems.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6011
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4803

"Why in hell do I have a DirectX 9....."

Hum good question why do you?

Probably because you actually use your computer to PLAY GAMES ON rather than for something useful and constructive. The reason you can't get Direct X for Linux is the usual reason. DirectX is just another proprietary $MS standard and as such can change at Microsoft's whim. It is the monumental influence of Microsoft that makes DirectX an industry standard. Therefore the reason you can't get DirectX under Linux / Unix / BSD etc is because Microsoft don't wish to make it available (No surprise there). Personally I agree with you, I would love to use DirectX under Linux but $MS is NOT going to allow it ... welcome to the real world.

DirectX is a better API than OpenGL...

That's the spirit, you slag off OpenGL and say how wonderful DirectX is. Shame that Microsoft was a founding member of the Open GL architecture review board (ARB) and resigned so it could attempt to kill it off using DirectX. The point is DirectX ONLY works on Windows that's why is proprietary so to run it and you HAVE TO RUN WINDOWS NO CHOICE, so why don't you ask $MS to make the API's in DirectX open (fat chance that is not in the companies ethos) instead of winging about it to us.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/29555.html

"Why is it.." .... "Example, it took me over an hour..."

You really are Mr. point and click. I don't have these problems I run live DNS, web real time logging and all sorts for my self and for large companies. Linux, BSD, Unix require that you KNOW and more to the point UNDERSTAND what you are doing, if you don't then stick with Windows and $MS and keep clicking yes. Things will work but you won't know why or how. Perhaps you don't care how they work and just want the functionality fine you have found your perfect OS best of luck!

To make a long story short. Hardware support in Linux is good enough to get you by....

Oh dear ... Linux at this time excels @ and is a superb server OS. It is only just beginning to attack the desktop market. Once the various companies who wish to back this attack (IBM / HP and others) mount their assault I rather suspect it will be highly effective.

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/12/2043223

FYI - ....

Well aren't you lucky. Most people don't have access to a system of that spec. I would hope that any OS would work well on such a box and what you have said is not a surprise. You then say you will have to wait for Longhorn ... So you expect Long horn to tax your system? Excuse me you OS should be transparent and use virtually no resources, the whole point is you run applications, not the OS, try running up Photoshop, Cinema 4D, 3D Studio Max and half a dozen other applications while running  a couple of seitathome CLI sessions and start actually using the box.

"Nowadays people shouldn't even bitch about how big Windows......."

That statement is a load of absolute drivel that I would expect someone on a computing 101 course to come out with. The amount of space on a hard disk , the power of a CPU and the relative cost of said component parts be they cheap OR expensive is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for writing rubbish code that utilizes more space (be it hard disk or memory) than is actually necessary to achieve a given result.

All that happens when you allow that type thinking to become prevalent is the addition of a the odd flight simulator into your favorite application e.g. $MS Excel, on the grounds that nobody will notice, but hey you paid for the hardware and the software, if you have so much money that you don't care that 10% - X% more of it is being used than is actually necessary then fine it's your cash!

Sime

[ August 24, 2003: Message edited by: sime ]

[ August 24, 2003: Message edited by: sime ]

[ August 24, 2003: Message edited by: sime ]

Fett101:
It's wonderful how in these debates, sometimes the two sides are talking about two diffirent things. There's Zombie talking about using Linux to listen to music, and play games (BTW, God damn is music in linux painful to the ears. Oh yeah... I'll get started working on some better audio coding right away.), and then sime goes on about tracking web stats for large companies.

I remember Zombie agreeing that Linux is grand for those sorta applications, don't I?

 
quote:The windows GUI is a hard coded fact of life that you can't turn off regardless
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That's funny. I've tried a few Windows GUI replacements. Oddlly enough, some of them ran slower the windows.

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